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[Rystil Arden]

Could I revive this question of Solange?



So far, we've had only two suggestions -- Rae ArdGaoth's idea to use the most similar base class, and my idea to use the class which the character will (mostly) advance in subsequently.

One problem with Rae's suggestion: we still have to determine which class that is. It's easy for most paragon classes -- the favoured class for that race -- but not for human or half-elf. Rae suggests either Rogue (200 GP) or Bard (160 GP), both of which make sense, although of the two I think I'd prefer Rogue, as the more generic skills-oriented class.

One problem with mine: What if the player isn't sure about the character's future career? It's not exactly determined, and nobody is bound to follow their initial plan. It's not a big problem for the case at hand -- a build clearly aimed at a Dervish of Sairundan, and therefore likely to be a fighter while getting to PrC qualifying level -- but rules and policies should be established on more general principles.

It might be a Fighter, although if she wants to take the other two Paragon levels, it is usually a good idea to grab a single level of Cleric for the Domain abilities (free weapon focus if you pick War) and to make the two stacking caster levels at 2 and 3 Paragon not go to waste.

 

[B4cchus]

Hi folks,
in the process of writing, rewriting and rewriting the Master crafter PrC proposal we've come to a point where it either faces a complete rewrite or a fine-tuning of the current incarnation.
Me, Rae and RA are discussing it thouroughly and i'd like some fresh opinions on where the PrC stands right now. The main concern at the moment is the power level and the Imbue Item ability.
Any comments would be very helpfull!
You can find the thread here

 

[Bront]

It might be a Fighter, although if she wants to take the other two Paragon levels, it is usually a good idea to grab a single level of Cleric for the Domain abilities (free weapon focus if you pick War) and to make the two stacking caster levels at 2 and 3 Paragon not go to waste.

An ammusing suggestion for the character in question, who has a wisdom of 8 (The desert person, right?)

Oddly enough, I seem to remember someone mentioning Cleric as a good starting gold base for Paragon classes. I think Favored Class is good for most of them (makes sense and is easy), and Rogue is good for the Half-Elf and Human.

 

[Rystil Arden]

An ammusing suggestion for the character in question, who has a wisdom of 8 (The desert person, right?)

Oddly enough, I seem to remember someone mentioning Cleric as a good starting gold base for Paragon classes. I think Favored Class is good for most of them (makes sense and is easy), and Rogue is good for the Half-Elf and Human.

How unfortunate Maybe Wizard?

 

[orsal]

An ammusing suggestion for the character in question, who has a wisdom of 8 (The desert person, right?)

I haven't seen any indication (only Solange would know) that he intends to take any more levels in Human Paragon. Personally, I'd be unlikely ever to take 2nd level in that class with a non-spellcaster, but 1st level makes a lot of sense -- the best time for Adaptive Learning is at the beginning.

Oddly enough, I seem to remember someone mentioning Cleric as a good starting gold base for Paragon classes.

Since Clerics and Rogues have the same starting gold, that seems to be where we're heading.

I think Favored Class is good for most of them (makes sense and is easy), and Rogue is good for the Half-Elf and Human.

Another advantage to using Favoured Class is that the Paragon class is generally designed for someone of that class. So, armour and weapon proficiencies will typically be similar, and that's a guideline for expenses.

Unfortunately, it's not a great guideline, because the relationship between starting gold and proficiencies is not monotonic. For example, Rogues start richer than Barbarians, but with fewer proficiencies.

 

[Knight Otu]

Are there any adventures that have been run in Sairundan? I want to read up more on it

I had hoped to set an adventure at some point to flesh the area out more, but so far nothing came out of it. It has been mentioned off and on in a number of adventures (such as the Tournament), and I've had Sairundani appear in my self-made adventures Dance of Soul and Slaves of the Dragon in minor to background-only roles (For example the owner of the "Scimitar" in Dance of Souls). You are, as I see, familiar with the background for the Hurakan. What else...

I might point out again that the ai/yn [TribeName] honorific means hero of that tribe. A hero isn't necessarily a patriarch or vice versa.
The patriarch of the Sirocco, Harmattan, does have the ai Sirocco honorific, and is probably the oldest patriarch and the patriarch who has been ruling his tribe the longest of the current patriarchs (or other rulers of the tribes). In my mind, he is a LN high level fighter who is by now of venerable age (and has suffered the appropriate ability score changes).
The background for the Hurakan as developed by shadowbloodmoon made them a bit more traditional and "stable" than I would have made them, which is probably a good thing.

 

[Solange]

It might be a Fighter, although if she wants to take the other two Paragon levels, it is usually a good idea to grab a single level of Cleric for the Domain abilities (free weapon focus if you pick War) and to make the two stacking caster levels at 2 and 3 Paragon not go to waste.

That would be an interesting concept, but sounds too much like a min/max thing. The flavor fits better this way, as Rogue and Bard didn't quite sit right with me. Besides, I can get +2 to my dex at Level 3 this way, since I'll be level 8 when I go into Dervish, and 6 levels of fighter seem less exciting than 4 fighter and 2 more paragon.

I haven't seen any indication (only Solange would know) that he intends to take any more levels in Human Paragon. Personally, I'd be unlikely ever to take 2nd level in that class with a non-spellcaster, but 1st level makes a lot of sense -- the best time for Adaptive Learning is at the beginning.

See my above comment. Compared to 2 more levels of fighter, I get the same feat and BAB, 3 less HP, 4 more skill points, a better Will save, and a Dex bonus that stacks with everything. I think that speaks to how weak the fighter, but it should be a fun character.

 

[Solange]

I had hoped to set an adventure at some point to flesh the area out more, but so far nothing came out of it. It has been mentioned off and on in a number of adventures (such as the Tournament), and I've had Sairundani appear in my self-made adventures Dance of Soul and Slaves of the Dragon in minor to background-only roles (For example the owner of the "Scimitar" in Dance of Souls). You are, as I see, familiar with the background for the Hurakan. What else...

I might point out again that the ai/yn [TribeName] honorific means hero of that tribe. A hero isn't necessarily a patriarch or vice versa.
The patriarch of the Sirocco, Harmattan, does have the ai Sirocco honorific, and is probably the oldest patriarch and the patriarch who has been ruling his tribe the longest of the current patriarchs (or other rulers of the tribes). In my mind, he is a LN high level fighter who is by now of venerable age (and has suffered the appropriate ability score changes).
The background for the Hurakan as developed by shadowbloodmoon made them a bit more traditional and "stable" than I would have made them, which is probably a good thing.

Her father was a tribal hero durring the war that she looked up to. I liked how that came out. Maybe she'll earn that title some day, but probably not.

If you have more information on the area, you should include it in the Wiki, which is where I got all the information at.

Any chance you would be willing to run a game involving the area? Assuming I get Shadya approved, I'll have someone coming from there that could be easy to work in from the area, or meet people on the way. If not now, I can wait till later, when she'll need to do her dervish test. Not sure how I would need to handle that in game.

 

[Knight Otu]

Any chance you would be willing to run a game involving the area?

Not for the moment. I'm still having trouble to keep up with my other games. Maybe someone else might be willing to run a game in Sairundan, though.

 

[Solange]

Not for the moment. I'm still having trouble to keep up with my other games. Maybe someone else might be willing to run a game in Sairundan, though.

I'll settle for any game at the moment, but keep me in mind if you could for something involving dervishes later if you would. I've got 3 characters waiting to play, but it'd be nice to have an adventure where she does her trial, probably a bit down the road though.

I think Wik was going to run a sequal to the Blacklily game? Solange is willing to wait for that one, so she's going to lurk outside of the tavern for a while.

Is there anything other than the tavern to do between adventures?