Gno more gnomes?

[Moggthegob]

i rsent you sir i could say the same about ha;lf elves or evn elves

 

[A'koss]

Ah, sweet satisfaction - gnomes are out of the PHB!

Though Chris Sims seems to suggest they'll appear in the MM (and be written up as a monster) and probably later as a PC race in another book. I feel a new 4e PC coming on with gnomicidal tendencies...

 

[WarlockLord]

But half elves are harder to roast.

Elves make good druids, wizards, and rangers.

Half-elves are...ok, they can go.

But gnomes are just useless. They don't appear in many mythologies, or if they do, they're basically interchangeable with dwarves. Gimble looks like a beatnik. Their SLAs are cute, but useless or situational, and while the +1 to illusion DCs is nice, the gray elf is a better wizard.

Come on! There have to be more gnome recipes! How about gnomes in cinnamon?

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

But gnomes are just useless. They don't appear in many mythologies

Um, what? They're almost universal in mythology.

or if they do, they're basically interchangeable with dwarves.

Wow. This is utterly untrue. There's a few select examples of translators settling on the wrong term, but there's a clear division in most of the world's myth and legend. Being short doesn't make them identical races.

Their SLAs are cute, but useless or situational

More situational than stonecunning? Talking to animals and free spells are arguably two of the better abilities in the PHB.

and while the +1 to illusion DCs is nice, the gray elf is a better wizard.

Which isn't, and never has been, a PHB race. A gold dragon's a better wizard than a gnome, too. So what?

 

[Jhaelen]

Um, what? They're almost universal in mythology.

Yup, but the mythological gnomes are completely unlike the d&d gnomes (yeah, I know, so are dwarves & elves, ...). Gnomes just don't have anything speaking for them in standard d&d. They aren't even good at what they're supposed to be good at.

 

[variant]

I say keep Gnomes in the PHB1, get rid of half-elves and half-orcs.

Make the gnome fey. Let them inspire their party and beguile the enemy. Let them still master illusion, not because they are scholarly, but because they are fey. Allow them to be the best hiders in the wilderness and move through tough terrain easier.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Just because you don't like something, should it be removed rather than you simply ignoring it?

That's people. Egoist to the core. Their pleasure has to come at everyone's expense.

 

[Moggthegob]

the gnome should have a very fey feel and ive alays felt they should have fvored class sorcerer(later beguiler) because of it

 

[Moon_Goddess]

Remember, you have 8 months before the PHB comes out. You should pace yourself so you don't blow all that righteous fury prematurely.

Think about baseball. That's what I do.

Just don't think about the Oriole's

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Yup, but the mythological gnomes are completely unlike the d&d gnomes (yeah, I know, so are dwarves & elves, ...). Gnomes just don't have anything speaking for them in standard d&d. They aren't even good at what they're supposed to be good at.

Gnomes aren't good at casting illusion spells? They're hands-down the best choice for illusionist, and that's before you use the racial substitution levels from Races of Stone. (The first level alone of which all but makes them a 1E illusionist.)