Goblin Picador

[I'm A Banana]

More to the point, I do like the Picador. Yeah, it violates the new HP conception, and that is a problem, and 4e is a bad, naughty, dispicable little system for doing it, but it's really not that big of a deal for me, because I like HP's to be super-power points that let you survive plummetting off of 40 foot cliffs, too, and I don't mind pseudo-magical pep talks from warlords that let you fight on despite the fact that your lungs have been ripped from your chest and your spleen is dangling in the breeze and your ribcage is rent asunder.

And you STILL kick ass, chew bubble gum, and feel like a million bucks after a good night's sleep.

I like HP that can reflect many narrative excuses for "you can't take much more of this!"

I am concerned about some of the fiddly details, and I'd expect anybody proficient in the goblin harpoon to be able to do the same thing as these little buggers, but the concept of a monster that can yank you around like that is pretty nice.

 

[VBMEW-01]

As to the Picador's abilities, I would assume they are more in line with the Bugbear Strangler and a monster ability, not a weapon ability.

Now that possibility opens up a whole othr can of worms that I can dig on.

I'd love if it were a weapon ability, greatly, but there would be no problem with it being individualized like that. I didn't consider it with my hype over new weapon utility.

Nice nonetheless

 

[Lizard]

Lizard -

Hit Points measure a lot of things, I would assume that if D&D 'EVER' modeled limb loss they would basically 'STATE' that magical healing was required to reverse the negative effect. Sort of like what they could also do for Stat drain, or even level loss. Oh wait, those are also unbelievable as they are unrealistic.

As to the Picador, I love the feel/flavor of this...

You seem to be conflating realism with believability.

Everyone has different things which break SOD. I don't give a damn about 1-1-1 diagonal movement or square fireballs, for instance.

 

[Wormwood]

EDIT-Not really hacking on anyone in particular, just sucks to hear the same conversation in every room of the house is all.

Every thread is a golden wyvern spellcasting dragons diagonal movement hit point theory thread waiting to happen.

 

[VBMEW-01]

Now someone mentioned the lasso as a good alternative for making an ability such as this (I'm too lazy for a quote ATM). I dig that too!

I mean I think they should give every weapon (or at least many of them) some sort of unlockable dynamic. I've always thought that things like race, religious preference (for non-divines), and weapon should all mean something and I've done plenty with homebrew to make those things happen.

Its my one great hope for 4E, and items like the Picador make it seem more real for me.

 

[ThirdWizard]

The great thing is, it's a magic harpoon, so that even after you've been impaled and dragged around, the wound closes if you have a good nap. (Or get yelled at by the Warlord)

Did you have to take this thread in a totally different direction away from what could have been a fun discussion just to jump on your soapbox and rail against 4e on a topic that is already all over the forum? Did you really feel it necessary? You don't like the HP system. I get that. I got it days ago. It's cool that you don't like it. I really couldn't care less. But, why drag another thread into this argument when it could actually have been interesting?

 

[glass]

Notice that he's a nonmagical controller?

Monster types are not the same as class roles. It is just unfortuante that they chose to double up on that name (its level all over again!)



glass.

 

[Saitou]

Man, this is all kinds of awesome, but there's a few things I'm not quite clear yet.

Can a PC remove the harpoon himself? Would this be a STR vs FORT check against himself? That'd be pretty cxxl

 

[Cadfan]

Monster types are not the same as class roles. It is just unfortuante that they chose to double up on that name (its level all over again!)

But he does seem to be functioning as a controller, albeit a low level one trick pony controller. Which for a monster is fine.

 

[VBMEW-01]

Man, this is all kinds of awesome, but there's a few things I'm not quite clear yet.

Can a PC remove the harpoon himself? Would this be a STR vs FORT check against himself? That'd be pretty cxxl

Yeah I wondered about that too.