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[Alzrius]

Check out the Stats for the Demigod Nezha in the free Preview. IIRC he deals 12d10. with one attack using a +3 spear.

I'm trying, but I can't seem to take my eyes off of Circe.

 

[W'rkncacnter]

I'm trying, but I can't seem to take my eyes off of Circe.

 

[ArcanistDragonborn]

Hey U_K! I was wondering, what Divine Rank would a party have to be to take on a Roaring Titan from Deltarune, which is a creature crystalized from a raw fountain of utter darkness that is a innate manifestation of the fear of darkness and the unknown?
Even a newborn Roaring Titan is large enough for its head to literally be above the clouds, and it canonically can take hundreds of thousands of HP damage without even flinching. It also generates tens of thousands of Spawn, that can destroy armies on their own, and it can actively replicate/manipulate its attacks based on its opponents fears and weaknesses as well. I'd imagine that one of these would be made fully out of Obsidia/other darkness-themed materials appropriate to its level/rank. Also, is there anything like it planned in the Bestiaries?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey U_K! I was wondering, what Divine Rank would a party have to be to take on a Roaring Titan from Deltarune, which is a creature crystalized from a raw fountain of utter darkness that is a innate manifestation of the fear of darkness and the unknown?
Even a newborn Roaring Titan is large enough for its head to literally be above the clouds, and it canonically can take hundreds of thousands of HP damage without even flinching. It also generates tens of thousands of Spawn, that can destroy armies on their own, and it can actively replicate/manipulate its attacks based on its opponents fears and weaknesses as well. I'd imagine that one of these would be made fully out of Obsidia/other darkness-themed materials appropriate to its level/rank. Also, is there anything like it planned in the Bestiaries?

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Well it sounds about Divine Rank 8 ish, so Challenge Rating 44. Obsidia is probably the closest parallel. But there might be other materials that also fit.

Not sure about tens of thousands of spawn that each individually destroy armies (of ambiguous power). Maybe the spawn collectively destroys Armies...?

The individually the spawn would at best be CR 8, assuming it can generate them with little cost/effort.

There are some monsters planned of that size category. Off the top of my head I don't believe I have a close parallel planned. But the Golem scaling rules will make creating one easy.

 

[ArcanistDragonborn]

Hey U_K! Divine Rank 8 seems about right for a single Titan. The Spawn are a bit weird, because in general Deltarune doesn't play nice with DnD style power scaling. The main party are for all intents and purposes normal mortals, but in the RPG segments of the game taking place in the Dark Worlds, it is implied that the characters are supernaturally imbued with extra power somehow/someway. Even with this, however, the Titan Spawn are mostly dangerous enough that you have to run away from them out of combat, and two minor Spawn are significant enough of a challenge to be a bossfight-tier challenge for a level 17-20 party of three characters. Even then, the Deltarune heroes are only able to bring down a Dark Titan by catching it only a few seconds after it was born, and literally jumping into it, to effectively burn its soul out from the inside. I would argue that a party of on-level Immortals to a Titan would be able to bring it down through raw damage, though, since it is shown to be able to be harmed by epic-level weapons, though it can regenerate massively by absorbing its Spawn.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey U_K! Divine Rank 8 seems about right for a single Titan. The Spawn are a bit weird, because in general Deltarune doesn't play nice with DnD style power scaling. The main party are for all intents and purposes normal mortals, but in the RPG segments of the game taking place in the Dark Worlds, it is implied that the characters are supernaturally imbued with extra power somehow/someway. Even with this, however, the Titan Spawn are mostly dangerous enough that you have to run away from them out of combat, and two minor Spawn are significant enough of a challenge to be a bossfight-tier challenge for a level 17-20 party of three characters. Even then, the Deltarune heroes are only able to bring down a Dark Titan by catching it only a few seconds after it was born, and literally jumping into it, to effectively burn its soul out from the inside. I would argue that a party of on-level Immortals to a Titan would be able to bring it down through raw damage, though, since it is shown to be able to be harmed by epic-level weapons, though it can regenerate massively by absorbing its Spawn.

How big are the Spawn?

Two CR 8 monsters are effectively equal to an Epic level character...although the character will usually win if it goes nova.

Two CR 16 monsters would equal a Level 20 character going nova. Roughly speaking.

 

[ArcanistDragonborn]

The Spawn are weird, because they dramatically change in size depending on how dark the environment is around them. In well lit areas, they are significantly smaller than a human, but in total (magical) darkness they are about Ogre-sized, and in the fight against the Titan, there are other types of Spawn shown like centipede-esque crawlers that are at least Huge-sized. However, it is fairly heavily implied that these Spawn are not drawn to scale because of the danmaku/shoot em up segments in the battles, so I'm mostly guessing here. Furthermore, I'd say that the two Spawn fought as a miniboss are probably around CR 12/16, but with the major downside of being extremely fragile and vulnerable to both necrotic/radiant damage due to the fact that the Titan actually eats its Spawn to heal, and that they are vaporized by just a few light/light-emitting attacks. Considering that the aforementioned LV 17-20 party had some serious help during the fight in the form of an artifact that is literally designed to kill Titans and foreknowledge of everything that the Titan would do, along with fighting from a point where the Titan couldn't use most of its attacks or strike back effectively. Overall, I would say that the two Miniboss Spawn would be CR 16, but the Spawn could vary from CR 8 to arguably CR 24 for the biggest, nastiest varieties.

 

[Upper_Krust]

The Spawn are weird, because they dramatically change in size depending on how dark the environment is around them. In well lit areas, they are significantly smaller than a human, but in total (magical) darkness they are about Ogre-sized, and in the fight against the Titan, there are other types of Spawn shown like centipede-esque crawlers that are at least Huge-sized. However, it is fairly heavily implied that these Spawn are not drawn to scale because of the danmaku/shoot em up segments in the battles, so I'm mostly guessing here. Furthermore, I'd say that the two Spawn fought as a miniboss are probably around CR 12/16, but with the major downside of being extremely fragile and vulnerable to both necrotic/radiant damage due to the fact that the Titan actually eats its Spawn to heal, and that they are vaporized by just a few light/light-emitting attacks. Considering that the aforementioned LV 17-20 party had some serious help during the fight in the form of an artifact that is literally designed to kill Titans and foreknowledge of everything that the Titan would do, along with fighting from a point where the Titan couldn't use most of its attacks or strike back effectively. Overall, I would say that the two Miniboss Spawn would be CR 16, but the Spawn could vary from CR 8 to arguably CR 24 for the biggest, nastiest varieties.

What is the size difference between the newborn Titan and an Adult or Older titan?

 

[ArcanistDragonborn]

Honestly, I'm not sure. We've only ever seen one newborn Titan in Deltarune, and from what we know, Titans don't naturally grow with age, but I would assume that Titans that are made from larger Dark Fountains (Which are basically made in particularly magic-heavy areas and create demiplanes based on the creator's perceptions of the objects and world around them, that disappear when the Dark Fountain is sealed, or when the Fountain is active for more than a month or so, where the Dark Fountain crystalizes, and transforms directly into a Titan.) However, it is also implied that Titans get more intelligent and magically stronger with age, though this is all headcanons here. To use the 3.5e Dragon Age table for Titans, I would say that an Adult Titan has 20 Shadow Sorc levels and is treated as a Mythic Form-less Immortal, slightly lower than average INT/WIS, and a full suite of darkness/offensive-based spells, but has a x4 weakness to Radiant and Necrotic damage due to its increasing instability. A max-age Titan would effectively be treated as a higher-level version of the Adult Titan.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Maybe just treat advancement similar to Dragons in 5e - which is approx. a 7 CR jump each Age - although I use +2 DR for simplicity (with 1 DR = +4 CR) although that needs slightly tweaked under CR 8 because it's XP based/derived.

So assuming the Newborn was CR 44/DR 8, the Ancient would be CR 68/DR 14...and approx. the size of a Hypergiant Star on my size system.