Goodman Games: Our Efforts Have Been Mischaracterized

Company reiterates opposition to bigotry and says efforts are well-intentioned.
Goodman Games' CEO Joseph Goodman made a statement via YouTube over the weekend*. The video itself focused on the content of the controversial upcoming City State of the Invincible Overlord crowdfunding product, but was prefaced by a short introduction by Joseph Goodman, in which he reiterates his company's commitment to inclusivity and diversity and its opposition to bigotry, something which they say they "don't want to be associated with".

Goodman goes on to say that the company's efforts have been "mischaracterized by some folks" but does not go so far as to identify the mischaracterization, so it's not entirely clear what they consider to be untrue other than the "inaccurate" statements made by Bob Bledsaw II of Judges Guild about Goodman Games' plans, which Goodman mentioned last week.

For those who haven't been following this story, it has been covered in the articles Goodman Games Revives Relationship With Anti-Semitic Publisher For New City State Kickstarter, Goodman Games Offers Assurances About Judges Guild Royalties, and Judges Guild Makes Statement About Goodman Controversy. In short, Goodman Games is currently licensing an old property from a company with which it claimed to have cut ties in 2020 after the owner of that company made a number of bigoted comments on social media. Goodman Games has repeatedly said that this move would allow them to provide backers of an old unfulfilled Judges Guild Kickstarter with refunds, but there are many people questioning seeming contradictions in both the timelines involved and in the appropriateness of the whole endeavour.

Despite the backlash, the prospects of the crowdfunding project do not seem to have been harmed. The pre-launch page has over 3,000 followers, and many of the comments under the YouTube videos or on other social media are not only very supportive of the project, but also condemn those who question its appropriateness. In comparison, the original (failed) Judges Guild Kickstarter had only 965 backers.

The video is embedded below, followed by a transcript of the relevant section.



Hi everybody, I'm Joseph Goodman of Goodman Games. We recently announced our City State of the Invincible Overlord crowdfunding project for 5E and DCC RPG.

In the video you're about to see, some of our product development team is going to tell you about what makes the City State so amazing and why we're bringing it back to 5E and DCC audiences nearly 50 years after it was first released. It really is an amazing setting.

But we could have rolled this project out with a lot more clarity. Now, to be clear, Goodman Games absolutely opposes any sort of bigotry, racism, anti-semitism, homophobia, transphobia. We don't want to support it. We don't want to be associated with it.

Our well-intentioned effort to launch this project in a way that refunds backers of a former failed Kickstarter from another publisher kind of backfired in the way we announced it. Rest assured, the funds from this crowdfunding will actually fund refunds to backers of the original City State crowdfunding for the Pathfinder edition from 2014.

Unfortunately, our efforts have been—you know, I didn’t clarify them perfectly when we rolled it out—and they've been mischaracterized by some folks since then. But please rest assured, we stand for inclusivity and diversity.

You can read a lot more detail in the post that's linked below, and there's another video linked below where we talk about this in even more detail. But for now, we hope you will sit back and enjoy as some of the product development team tells you about really what makes the City State of the Invincible Overlord so amazing, and why you might want to check it out when it comes to crowdfunding soon.

Thanks, and I'll turn it over to them now.

The statement refers to a post about this that is supposed to be linked below, but at the time of writing no post is linked below the video, so it's not clear if that refers to a new post or one of Goodman Games' previous statements on the issue.

I reached out to Joseph Goodman last week to offer a non-confrontational (although direct and candid) interview in which he could answer some ongoing questions and talk on his reasoning behind the decision; I have not yet received a response to the offer--I did, however, indicate that I was just leaving for UK Games Expo, and wouldn't be back until this week.

*Normally I would have covered this in a more timely fashion, but I was away at UK Games Expo from Thursday through to Monday.
 

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Hasn't been my experience with their products, but different people like different things. I'm not familiar with the person doing the review.

As far as I can tell, Goodman appears to be following through with everything they've said about how they were going to approach City State. Recently, they put out an artwork preview of what parts of the book will look like.

The upcoming set of adventures based upon pinball machines (Pinball Crawl Classics & Old-School Adventures #1) looks like it will do fine. It hasn't launched yet, but it already has over 3k followers. It launches in 6 days, so we'll know soon enough how it goes.

I know a few groups who are looking forward to Castle Whiterock, so my guess is that will likely do fine as well. It also has a steady following.
I can see why someone would criticize their style and layout, it's definitely not up to current specs as far as best-practices go.. on the other hand I've found many DCC adventures very easy to run because they're well-written. I think if they updated their layout/style it'd be even better, but at the same time it sets them apart from others (for better or worse).

Regarding following through, I don't think people are criticizing the current process- they're pissed that Goodman said he wouldn't work with JG anymore because they're awful people, IIRC that promise made with Jennell Jaquays, and then a few years later decided to break his word work with JG for Invincible Overlord, saying it was an exception (and that the money would go to previous backers, not to JG).

Folk point to the fact that JG isn't seeing profit from it, but others point out that it's giving JG visibility due to the new updated product, which indirectly benefits JG. Basically, it doesn't matter how well Goodman handles doing the new Invincible Overlord if you think that he never should've done the product in the first place.

And yes, I'm sure their products will continue to do fine. It just sucks for those of us that liked GG, and have to weigh these actions in our decision-making for ethical reasons.
 

Sad seeing Bob World Builder and Ben Milton/Questing Beast still singing DCC's praises after all of this, too. So many people will inadvertently support this awfulness unaware of its effects on the community.
Ben MIlton's latest video certainly doesn't come off as singing DCC's praises to the DCC faithful, based on the comments on his latest video.

But his criticism that Goodman "needs to change" is about their antiquated adventure layout not, you know, the Judges Guild of it all.
 


Hasn't been my experience with their products, but different people like different things.
I think if people haven't seen better adventure design, of which Necrotic Gnome is one of the best, they don't realize how much they are compensating for dated designs. ("I just make sure to read it all twice ahead of time and make my own notes" is compensating for a design not being table usable by default.)

Goodman Games (and WotC) are professional adventure publishers, though, and should 100% be aware of better adventure design and incorporate it.
I'm not familiar with the person doing the review.
He's the biggest voice in the OSR on YouTube. He's a huge name.
 
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I noticed this today. It really bothered me… I assume it’s because he’s getting paid and people need to get paid, but it was jarring and made me think twice about watching future videos.
I'm not sure he gets paid to release videos panning a product. And he's mentioned in the past that he gets more products than he can possibly cover. So this was a proactive choice on his part.

And he knows about the GG/JG situation; people let him know all about it after past videos. He's just not addressing it.
 

I'm not sure he gets paid to release videos panning a product. And he's mentioned in the past that he gets more products than he can possibly cover. So this was a proactive choice on his part.

And he knows about the GG/JG situation; people let him know all about it after past videos. He's just not addressing it.
I thought the video started with him saying he had entered some sort of partnership he was excited to announce? Which I assumed meant he was being paid to advertise.

I’ll have to rewatch Bob’s video, but it seemed like an ad.
 
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I can see why someone would criticize their style and layout, it's definitely not up to current specs as far as best-practices go.. on the other hand I've found many DCC adventures very easy to run because they're well-written. I think if they updated their layout/style it'd be even better, but at the same time it sets them apart from others (for better or worse).
I don't know that dated adventure design sets Goodman apart. WotC still relies on big walls of text, as do others.

But it's one thing when it's a random dude on DMs Guild doing it. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the big dogs in the industry to be aware of the state of the art and show a willingness to embrace the best elements of it. (And yes, modern adventure design makes a huge difference at the table, IME.)
And yes, I'm sure their products will continue to do fine. It just sucks for those of us that liked GG, and have to weigh these actions in our decision-making for ethical reasons.
We'll see. Goodman is doing well, relatively speaking, but it doesn't take doing much worse to meaningfully impact them as a company. If they have driven off 10% of their customers with this -- which doesn't seem an unreasonable potential figure -- they will definitely notice.

They've got two big projects going up on Backerkit this January, the first since CISO, so we'll find out soon. They're not OAR products, so it's not a 1:1 comparison, but it will still be suggestive of what the future holds.
 

I thought the video started with him saying he had entered some sort of partnership he was excited to announce? Which I assumed meant he was being paid to advertise.

I’ll have to rewatch Bob’s video, but it seemed like an ad.
I think we're talking about different things. I was referring to Ben Milton. I know there's someone I have on ignore participating in this thread, which may mean I missed something.
 


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