Goodman Games: Our Efforts Have Been Mischaracterized

Company reiterates opposition to bigotry and says efforts are well-intentioned.
Goodman Games' CEO Joseph Goodman made a statement via YouTube over the weekend*. The video itself focused on the content of the controversial upcoming City State of the Invincible Overlord crowdfunding product, but was prefaced by a short introduction by Joseph Goodman, in which he reiterates his company's commitment to inclusivity and diversity and its opposition to bigotry, something which they say they "don't want to be associated with".

Goodman goes on to say that the company's efforts have been "mischaracterized by some folks" but does not go so far as to identify the mischaracterization, so it's not entirely clear what they consider to be untrue other than the "inaccurate" statements made by Bob Bledsaw II of Judges Guild about Goodman Games' plans, which Goodman mentioned last week.

For those who haven't been following this story, it has been covered in the articles Goodman Games Revives Relationship With Anti-Semitic Publisher For New City State Kickstarter, Goodman Games Offers Assurances About Judges Guild Royalties, and Judges Guild Makes Statement About Goodman Controversy. In short, Goodman Games is currently licensing an old property from a company with which it claimed to have cut ties in 2020 after the owner of that company made a number of bigoted comments on social media. Goodman Games has repeatedly said that this move would allow them to provide backers of an old unfulfilled Judges Guild Kickstarter with refunds, but there are many people questioning seeming contradictions in both the timelines involved and in the appropriateness of the whole endeavour.

Despite the backlash, the prospects of the crowdfunding project do not seem to have been harmed. The pre-launch page has over 3,000 followers, and many of the comments under the YouTube videos or on other social media are not only very supportive of the project, but also condemn those who question its appropriateness. In comparison, the original (failed) Judges Guild Kickstarter had only 965 backers.

The video is embedded below, followed by a transcript of the relevant section.



Hi everybody, I'm Joseph Goodman of Goodman Games. We recently announced our City State of the Invincible Overlord crowdfunding project for 5E and DCC RPG.

In the video you're about to see, some of our product development team is going to tell you about what makes the City State so amazing and why we're bringing it back to 5E and DCC audiences nearly 50 years after it was first released. It really is an amazing setting.

But we could have rolled this project out with a lot more clarity. Now, to be clear, Goodman Games absolutely opposes any sort of bigotry, racism, anti-semitism, homophobia, transphobia. We don't want to support it. We don't want to be associated with it.

Our well-intentioned effort to launch this project in a way that refunds backers of a former failed Kickstarter from another publisher kind of backfired in the way we announced it. Rest assured, the funds from this crowdfunding will actually fund refunds to backers of the original City State crowdfunding for the Pathfinder edition from 2014.

Unfortunately, our efforts have been—you know, I didn’t clarify them perfectly when we rolled it out—and they've been mischaracterized by some folks since then. But please rest assured, we stand for inclusivity and diversity.

You can read a lot more detail in the post that's linked below, and there's another video linked below where we talk about this in even more detail. But for now, we hope you will sit back and enjoy as some of the product development team tells you about really what makes the City State of the Invincible Overlord so amazing, and why you might want to check it out when it comes to crowdfunding soon.

Thanks, and I'll turn it over to them now.

The statement refers to a post about this that is supposed to be linked below, but at the time of writing no post is linked below the video, so it's not clear if that refers to a new post or one of Goodman Games' previous statements on the issue.

I reached out to Joseph Goodman last week to offer a non-confrontational (although direct and candid) interview in which he could answer some ongoing questions and talk on his reasoning behind the decision; I have not yet received a response to the offer--I did, however, indicate that I was just leaving for UK Games Expo, and wouldn't be back until this week.

*Normally I would have covered this in a more timely fashion, but I was away at UK Games Expo from Thursday through to Monday.
 

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I’m seeing a lot of words that were probably written on brainstorm lists for Marvel writers to pick from for X-Men spinoff titles.
Seriously, X-Pectorates could make a good campaign frame. Some sort of mash up of X-Men, InsPectres, and Yaoi manga. "He hocks exploding loogies; he projectile-cries acid tears: They're detectives!"

(This is what I mean by projectile tears...)

Cry Love GIF by Afternoon films
 

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I think you're allowed to know about what people are saying about this stuff and still enjoy the games these folks make. What you're saying sounds like judgement against any OSR fan with access to the internet.
Not exactly what they are saying, but close enough I guess.

It's the classic old debate, should we separate art from artist? If I learn that a particular artist I enjoy (or might enjoy) is not a great person, can I or should I still engage with their art?

Everyone draws the line in a different place, and we aren't often consistent about it as individuals.

But yeah, it makes a community problematic when there are significant numbers of bad actors who get away with their bad acts in part because the community also has a lot of, "not my problem, I'm just here for the games" mentality.

If you are an OSR fan, you are aware of certain publishers or creators as bad actors . . . and you continue to patronize their work because you are "just here for the games" . . . well, enjoy your hobby as you see fit, but it's part of the reason why others are more hesitant when navigating the OSR community. Doesn't make you a bigot yourself or even necessarily an apologist for bigots . . . but yeah, it's part of the reason why the community can feel regressive and unwelcoming.
 

Hence my original comment that I had never heard of the people that are issues. It is a small space and I just do not “follow” people or even companies.

I just believe that social media is mentally toxic in the same way that any obsession may become. It is designed to be addictive and I stay far away from anything than can be addictive. I have too many alcoholics etc in my family tree.
Agreed. This and a few Discords for games I like are the only socials I follow.
 

I suspect the average OSR fan doesn't give much thought to these issues. They just enjoy the games for themselves. That's pretty much where I and my DCC and Shadowdark players stand.
Yeah, the most parsimonious explanation is that many folks do not check their purchases or care to boycott in the same way folks here do, for any number of reasons.
 



I think you're allowed to know about what people are saying about this stuff and still enjoy the games these folks make. What you're saying sounds like judgement against any OSR fan with access to the internet.
I think if the person bought / enjoyed the games before knowing, while it may coloir their perception of some books (i can't look at Eddings books the same way anymore) I wont hold it against them if they continue to enjoy playing the game.

Where i will judge, is where they decide to continue to support / pay money towards the creators knowing what they are like.

That just feels really ick to me - there are creators out there who do use the money they get from fans to fund their bigotry, and so giving them money is helping fund that.

So I may enjoy re reading Stardust or Harry Potter, but I certainly won't knowingly be buying anything new from Gaiman or Rowling, whether directly or licensed product.

Same with the aforementioned bad OSR actors. If I already have product from them I may play it, but I wont be buying anything more. Whereas I am far more likely to buy from Sacrosant.
 

I got into the OSR ~1.5 years ago after ignoring it and most D&D adjacent rpg stuff for the past decade. I've got to say, I've never entered into a part of any hobby where I've been recommended so many products or blogs created by bigots. The OSR seems to me to be way too comfortable with these people as a part of the community and with encouraging newcomers to invest in their products. Here, on ENWorld, I'm glad to say that the OSR people are vocal about speaking out about this stuff. That has absolutely not been my experience on other discussion platforms.
Yes indeed. Anyone who thinks bigotry in the OSR space isn't a problem is in denial, frankly. Bill Webb was mentioned upthread; if you look at the postings on a certain prominent OSR website about his harassment incident, you'll find outright hatred toward Webb's accuser and statements like "Feminism is a plague". That's a verbatim quote. And I'm not even talking about that one infamous OSR site which has extreme reactionary views and relishes being offensive, I'm referring to a much more mainstream one. People like that infect our hobby. They might be a minority, but they're a loud one. And I'm not sure they're actually a minority, sadly.

The good news is that the tide is turning. Many of the most problematic of the original OSR designers are irrelevant or bankrupt at this point, while people like Kelsey Dionne are ushering in a new tide of diffently-minded players and writers. But that's not to say the problem has been completely solved.
 


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