Goodman is clearly going to the GSL.

[Corjay]

"6.1 OGL Product Conversion. If Licensee has entered into the “Open Gaming License version 1.0” with Wizards (“OGL”), and Licensee has previously published a product under the OGL (each an “OGL Product”), Licensee may publish a Licensed Product subject to this License that features the same or similar title, product line trademark, or contents as such OGL Product (each such OGL Product, a “Converted OGL Product”, and each such Licensed Product, a “Conversion”). Upon the first publication date of a Conversion, Licensee will cease all manufacturing and publication of the corresponding Converted OGL Product and all other OGL Products which are part of the same product line as the Converted OGL Product, as reasonably determined by Wizards (“Converted OGL Product Line”). Licensee explicitly agrees that it will not thereafter manufacture or publish any portion of the Converted OGL Product Line, or any products that would be considered part of a Converted OGL Product Line (as reasonably determined by Wizards) pursuant to the OGL. Licensee may continue to distribute and sell-off all remaining physical inventory of a Converted OGL Product Line after the corresponding Conversion is published, but will, as of such date, cease all publication, distribution and sale (and ensure that third party affiliates of Licensee cease their publication, distribution and sale) of any element of a Converted OGL Product Line in any electronic downloadable format. For the avoidance of doubt, (a) any OGL Product that is not part of a Converted OGL Product Line may continue to be manufactured, published, sold and distributed pursuant to the OGL; and (b) this Section 6.1 will survive termination of this Agreement."

The date is not dependent upon the October date, but upon the date that the previous OGL product is discontinued.

 

[Angellis_ater]

The date is not dependent upon the October date, but upon the date that the previous OGL product is discontinued.

Lets try this ONE more time:

"6.1 OGL Product Conversion. If Licensee has entered into the “Open Gaming License version 1.0” with Wizards (“OGL”), and Licensee has previously published a product under the OGL (each an “OGL Product”), Licensee may publish a Licensed Product subject to this License that features the same or similar title, product line trademark, or contents as such OGL Product (each such OGL Product, a “Converted OGL Product”, and each such Licensed Product, a “Conversion”). Upon the first publication date of a Conversion, Licensee will cease all manufacturing and publication of the corresponding Converted OGL Product and all other OGL Products which are part of the same product line as the Converted OGL Product, as reasonably determined by Wizards (“Converted OGL Product Line”). Licensee explicitly agrees that it will not thereafter manufacture or publish any portion of the Converted OGL Product Line, or any products that would be considered part of a Converted OGL Product Line (as reasonably determined by Wizards) pursuant to the OGL. Licensee may continue to distribute and sell-off all remaining physical inventory of a Converted OGL Product Line after the corresponding Conversion is published, but will, as of such date, cease all publication, distribution and sale (and ensure that third party affiliates of Licensee cease their publication, distribution and sale) of any element of a Converted OGL Product Line in any electronic downloadable format. For the avoidance of doubt, (a) any OGL Product that is not part of a Converted OGL Product Line may continue to be manufactured, published, sold and distributed pursuant to the OGL; and (b) this Section 6.1 will survive termination of this Agreement."

Did you see the bold part above? Part of "this License" is a first streetdate of October 1st 2008. So you cannot ignore the REST of the License.

 

[guivre]

The date is not dependent upon the October date, but upon the date that the previous OGL product is discontinued.

Fail.

 

[Voadam]

Upon the first publication date of a Conversion, Licensee will cease all manufacturing and publication of the corresponding Converted OGL Product and all other OGL Products which are part of the same product line as the Converted OGL Product, as reasonably determined by Wizards (“Converted OGL Product Line”).

The date is not dependent upon the October date, but upon the date that the previous OGL product is discontinued.

No, it says you must stop publishing OGL versions of the line upon first publishing a GSL conversion. It does not say that upon discontinuing publication of OGL products you can publish a 4e GSL conversion.

 

[Treebore]

That is a fact.

No, it is not. People are wrong that any changes, or exceptions, to an "at will" license have to be publically known. So Goodman could easily have an "exception" granted to him by WOTC.

Or he could be making 4E compatible products using copyright law, and then going GSL after October 1st.

So nothing is fact, other than he will not be selling PDF's in the near future, and that he still hopes to be able to support 3E in some way, and that he will still be doing OGL stuff for Castles and Crusades. All of which indicate to me Goodman is going GSL, sooner or later. People claiming WOTC won't let him go GSL if he does anything via copyright don't know any "facts" either.

So he will either do 4E via copyright laws, or he will be GSL, either with his GenCOn releases or after October 1st. Joe isn't going to change his business plan any more than he has too. Its what has allowed him to have the success he has had. So he will go GSL, eventually, and WOTC won't tell him no if he does 4E products via copyright laws before then either.

So at this point all the facts point most directly at a 4E GSL business model.

I would love to say, "Yeah! I was wrong! Goodman is not partnering with WOTC!"

Unfortunately I think I will be saying, "DARN! I was right!"

 

[Treebore]

No, it says you must stop publishing OGL versions of the line upon first publishing a GSL conversion. It does not say that upon discontinuing publication of OGL products you can publish a 4e GSL conversion.

I would say you are most definitely correct.

 

[GMSkarka]

Personally, I'm amazed that gamers even care about the behind-the-scenes licensing issues on these products (Goodmans, or Adamant's). Licensing has no bearing on a gamer's USE of the products....

Are they produced under GSL?

Are they produced under existing copyright law?

Are they produced under a super-seekrit special kewl-kids private license?


Who cares?


Are they good adventures, that will useful for your game? -- that should be the only thing that matters to you.

Goodman produces excellent stuff. That's all I need to know about his new DCCs. (As for the quality of our own forthcoming products, I leave that to others to decide.)

 

[Keefe the Thief]

"Gamers" don´t. A handful of people on a messageboard who like to think about and argue stuff do. It´s our kind of fun.

 

[Voadam]

Personally, I'm amazed that gamers even care about the behind-the-scenes licensing issues on these products (Goodmans, or Adamant's). Licensing has no bearing on a gamer's USE of the products....

Are they produced under GSL?

Are they produced under existing copyright law?

Are they produced under a super-seekrit special kewl-kids private license?


Who cares?


Are they good adventures, that will useful for your game? -- that should be the only thing that matters to you.

Goodman produces excellent stuff. That's all I need to know about his new DCCs. (As for the quality of our own forthcoming products, I leave that to others to decide.)

GSL means terminating the option to purchase the OGL pdf product line.

As someone who plays 3.5 and likes the OGL DCCs and buys pdfs I want to know if I have until Gencon or Oct. 1 to get more of these pdfs (I think I have 13 out of the 53 or so in the line).

If a license deal means I cannot get what I want then it matters to me.

It looks to me like the sale will probably last until Oct. 1 when the GSL goes live for selling GSL DCCs.

 

[guivre]

Edit: Deleted. The cluestick just appears to be missing over and over.