Aulirophile
First Post
You're seriously overthinking this. CA is a binary condition, you either have it against an enemy (for whatever reason), or you don't. If you have CA against an enemy, Claw Gloves work.
Granting vs Gaining CA
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malraux
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Yeah, busy with a baby, and was speaking as a general rule of thumb rather than an absolute.
As regards the Aversion Staff, my ruling has always been that "an effect you caused" only counts an ongoing effect with some sort of duration - whether 'save ends', 'until end of next turn', or whenever. Conditional modifiers do not count, and that's what Cunning Stalker involves. No effect has been placed on the opponent - you have simply met a condition that gives you, personally, a benefit.
Dalamar
Adventurer
At a quick look, it seems that they're pretty much interchangeable, except that the word "granting" is used when something describes the defender/involuntary target, and "gain" is when the target is willing or the effect self-invoked.
It's just feels nicer to describe Cunning Stalker as "You gain combat advantage against enemies that have no creatures adjacent to it other than yourself" instead of "Enemies that have no creatures adjacent to it other than you grant you combat advantage".
It's just feels nicer to describe Cunning Stalker as "You gain combat advantage against enemies that have no creatures adjacent to it other than yourself" instead of "Enemies that have no creatures adjacent to it other than you grant you combat advantage".
DracoSuave
First Post
Whether a target grants or you gain combat advantage as a semantic discussion is completely and wholely based on context. A discussion of these terms in isolation can lead to confusion.
Instead, you only need to ask one question: When I attack that dude over there, do I have Combat Advantage? So:
'The enemy grants combat advantage until blah.' In this case, yes I do. The enemy is giving it to me. Therefore I have it.
'You have combat advantage against that enemy until blah.' Has blah happened yet? No? Then I have combat advantage.
'You gain combat advantage when you blah.' Is blah happening? Then yes, I have it.
Combat advantage is a one-way relationship. Sometimes a monster gives it to everyone. Sometimes it only gives it to you. The only thing you care about is DO you have it right now? How you get it is not important to how combat advantage affects your attacks.
This granting/giving/taking/receiving stuff is overthinking it, to be honest... given they all have the same basic result: You have combat advantage. And that is all that matters.
Instead, you only need to ask one question: When I attack that dude over there, do I have Combat Advantage? So:
'The enemy grants combat advantage until blah.' In this case, yes I do. The enemy is giving it to me. Therefore I have it.
'You have combat advantage against that enemy until blah.' Has blah happened yet? No? Then I have combat advantage.
'You gain combat advantage when you blah.' Is blah happening? Then yes, I have it.
Combat advantage is a one-way relationship. Sometimes a monster gives it to everyone. Sometimes it only gives it to you. The only thing you care about is DO you have it right now? How you get it is not important to how combat advantage affects your attacks.
This granting/giving/taking/receiving stuff is overthinking it, to be honest... given they all have the same basic result: You have combat advantage. And that is all that matters.
