Grease questions

[parinho7]

When the party was facing a Golem, a creature he was largely incapable of affecting

Grease. Seriously, Grease.

I took that from the "Running my first specialty mage" thread. I read the description of the spell and I take that the dm defines the DC for the reflex save. I this correct? Is there any table in the dmg for such circumstance? It seems very unfair to me because if the dm wants to screw you he can set the DC very low.

 

[xigbar]

I took that from the "Running my first specialty mage" thread. I read the description of the spell and I take that the dm defines the DC for the reflex save. I this correct? Is there any table in the dmg for such circumstance? It seems very unfair to me because if the dm wants to screw you he can set the DC very low.

If it gets to that point, then the DC is as per usual for a spell of that level, pending on the casting stat. Remmeber that you need a certain number of ranks in Balance to not be flat-footed, I believe.

 

[domino]

Barring any other DC raising goodies, the spell DC is 10+ spell level + Casting Stat Modifier (whatever that would be).

A Wizard with 18 Int casting grease would be 10 + 1 + 4 for a total of DC 15.

 

[StreamOfTheSky]

Reflex save DC is 11 + ability modifer, as normal. Balance DC is always 10.

 

[Dandu]

Also, it's a DC 10 Balance check to move off of the Greased area. Golems typically have no ranks in balance or much dexterity, so it works about as well as you'd expect.

 

[Greenfield]

Separate question: Am I right in thinking that Grease + Shape Spell:Line +unlevel ground=Toboggan run?

It's remarkable how few level surfaces there are in dungeons <smirk>

 

[Sekhmet]

Should also be noted that even if he miraculously makes his save, he's still slowed to 50% speed.
Grease is my favourite level 1 spell.

 

[StreamOfTheSky]

Grease is my favourite level 1 spell.

Sculpted Grease is my favorite 2nd level spell.

20 ft radius of difficult terrain, reflex saves, and balance checks!

 

[Greenfield]

Here's a question: Opponent A is making a Charge attack, unaware that there is an area of Grease in his path.

The Greased area cuts his speed by half for that distance, but since he was unaware until his feet hit it, does he automatically slow down, in defiance not only of the laws of momentum but of cartoon physics as well? (Remember, under the rules of cartoon physics, he should actually accelerate out of control when he hits the Grease. ) Does he suffer some penalty on the Save? Does he get a Save at all (meaning an automatic fall)?

Also, while the spell says that it requires you to move at half speed, it doesn't actually say that the area counts as "difficult terrain". With that thought in mind, presuming the appropriate Saves and Balance checks, does the Charge come through anyway?

(Personally, I'm a big fan of cartoon physics.)

 

[Empirate]

I can only answer part of that:

Accelerated Movement

You can try to walk across a precarious surface more quickly than normal. If you accept a -5 penalty, you can move your full speed as a move action. (Moving twice your speed in a round requires two Balance checks, one for each move action used.) You may also accept this penalty in order to charge across a precarious surface; charging requires one Balance check for each multiple of your speed (or fraction thereof) that you charge.

So it seems that a Barbarian charging the full distance he may charge (x2 movement) must not make 1, but 2 balance checks to go through a greased square, and these checks are made at -5.
Failing one of these checks by 5 or more means the Barb falls down. Failing one check by 4 or less stops the Barbarian cold... which is kinda strange visually, but that's the way it works. Maybe he just catches his fall on his axe or something, anchoring it in the ground or whatever? Up to the player/DM to describe.