Greater Shadow Evocation Force Cage

[Thanee]

I meant it in the way, since Shadow Conjuration also works like that.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Liquidsabre]

Note that, though greater shadow evocation may not state what happens with non-damaging effects, it really has no need to:"This spell functions like shadow evocation..."

and shadow evocation includes text concerning non-damaging spell effects which apply to the greater version as well: "If the disbelieved attack has a special effect other than damage, that effect is one-fifth as strong (if applicable) or only 20% likely to occur."

The same should apply to Greater Shadow Evocation, only now the chance is 60%. I have to admit though that the lack of material components that are costly may sound like a big boon, but then again, we are casting an 8th level spell that only has a 60% chance to work.

 

[Henrix]

Nothing here, just a mispost.

 

[Thanee]

Liquidsabre...

<>Spells that deal damage have normal effects unless an affected creature succeeds on a Will save. Each disbelieving creature takes only one-fifth damage from the attack. If the disbelieved attack has a special effect other than damage, that effect is one-fifth as strong (if applicable) or only 20% likely to occur. If recognized as a shadow evocation, a damaging spell deals only one-fifth (20%) damage. Regardless of the result of the save to disbelieve, an affected creature is also allowed any save (or spell resistance) that the spell being simulated allows, but the save DC is set according to shadow evocation’s level (5th) rather than the spell’s normal level.

Nondamaging effects have normal effects except against those who disbelieve them.

Against disbelievers, they have no effect.

Spells that deal damage have normal effects unless the affected creature succeeds on a Will save. Each disbelieving creature takes only one-fifth (20%) damage from the attack. If the disbelieved attack has a special effect other than damage, that effect is only 20% likely to occur. Regardless of the result of the save to disbelieve, an affected creature is also allowed any save that the spell being simulated allows, but the save DC is set according to shadow conjuration’s level (5th) rather than the spell’s normal level. In addition, any effect created by shadow conjuration allows spell resistance, even if the spell it is simulating does not.

Shadow objects or substances have normal effects except against those who disbelieve them.

Against disbelievers, they are 20% likely to work.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Liquidsabre]

Hmmm, hadn't see that part and at first the two seem contradictory. As it appears, for shadow evocation, a spell that deals damage but also has non-damaging effects has a 20% chance to work against a disbelieving creature.

However, a spell that only has non-damaging effects (such as forcecage) has no effect at all against disbelievers. Dang, that's odd. Why would the two sets of shadow spells need to be different like that? I see what you mean Thanee, I wonder why the shadow evocation spells were made different like that. Is there something special about all those non-damaging evocation spells that makes this necessary?

Hmm, well just add one of those new-fangled metamagic feats that add 2d6 damage/level to the spell or something so forcecage deals damage, then you'll get your 60% chance of it working vs. disbelievers.

 

[Thanee]

Well, I'm seriously considering to house rule that part, since it makes absolutely no sense to me.

If anyone has an idea, why this difference is there or necessary, please let me know!

Bye
Thanee

 

[Falling Icicle]

Well, I'm seriously considering to house rule that part, since it makes absolutely no sense to me.

If anyone has an idea, why this difference is there or necessary, please let me know!

I honestly have no clue why they did something like this. They should have made both spells work the same save for the schools they duplicate.