Grimm or Once Upon a Time

[Banshee16]

No, no, I'm talking about movies in which teenagers witness a realistic murder, like someone getting shot. One movie I saw had teens witness a gang shooting and the cops dismissed the kids and threatened to arrest them (which leaves the kids on their own, trying to escape the gang who want to kill them because they are witnesses). I mean, what sort of city cop treats the idea of a gang shooting as if it's some sort of fairytale? That's what I mean by people not acting like people.

Cops do unreasonable things all the time.

When I was in high school, grade 11, we took a class trip to New York City. In that trip, I was with some friends, and I can't even remember where we were, but we took a walk to go to a Swatch store a few blocks away from our hotel room, shortly before dark. We were 17 at the time and felt we were immortal. Anyways, one of my friends (there were 4 of us) got mugged in an alley, and I ran for help. I found a police officer, told him what was going on, and he *told me to get lost, and we shouldn't be out this close to night anyways. Get out of here or you'll be arrested". I mean, he was a cop. We were kids, in a strange city. You'd think we'd have gotten help, after telling him our friend was getting mugged, but....no.

Luckily, our friend wasn't hurt, aside from being robbed.

I've never had the desire to visit that city again.

I don't find it so unbelievable that cops would not believe teenagers, and act in what is (to me, as an adult) an irresponsible and reckless manner.

I had another friend who attempted suicide, and when 911 was called and the cops showed up, they pointed out the correct veins to cut if she wanted to succeed next time.

Banshee

 

[Dire Bare]

Cops do unreasonable things all the time.

When I was in high school, grade 11, we took a class trip to New York City. In that trip, I was with some friends, and I can't even remember where we were, but we took a walk to go to a Swatch store a few blocks away from our hotel room, shortly before dark. We were 17 at the time and felt we were immortal. Anyways, one of my friends (there were 4 of us) got mugged in an alley, and I ran for help. I found a police officer, told him what was going on, and he *told me to get lost, and we shouldn't be out this close to night anyways. Get out of here or you'll be arrested". I mean, he was a cop. We were kids, in a strange city. You'd think we'd have gotten help, after telling him our friend was getting mugged, but....no.

Luckily, our friend wasn't hurt, aside from being robbed.

I've never had the desire to visit that city again.

I don't find it so unbelievable that cops would not believe teenagers, and act in what is (to me, as an adult) an irresponsible and reckless manner.

I had another friend who attempted suicide, and when 911 was called and the cops showed up, they pointed out the correct veins to cut if she wanted to succeed next time.

Banshee

Yeah, cops, and other folks, do "odd" things all the time. Human and all. No offense to anyone posting, but I really think the "they aren't acting like REAL people" complaint is more often truly, "they aren't acting like I THINK I would act in a similar situation, from the comfort of my living room couch and never having been in such a situation before".

 

[Villano]

Yeah, cops, and other folks, do "odd" things all the time. Human and all. No offense to anyone posting, but I really think the "they aren't acting like REAL people" complaint is more often truly, "they aren't acting like I THINK I would act in a similar situation, from the comfort of my living room couch and never having been in such a situation before".

I'm not a cop...but I was in an accident* and woke up in a hospital. Trust me, I would have been really pissed if I woke up in a jail cell.

*For the record, it wasn't a car accident, but a fall. I ended up with a concussion and some nerve damage, so I know how bad getting knocked unconscious can be.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Currently I would say Once Upon a Time is the winner.

 

[Mark CMG]

The second episode of Once Upon a Time impressed me. The second episode of Grimm comes on tonight. I agree that it has an X-Files feel: monster of the week, potential for main character story arcs, etc. We'll see if it gets some momentum. One problem I am seeing is the Murder She Wrote condition, in that he's not set up currently to travel around a large enough area to keep us from wondering about the concentration of odd events and such.

 

[Kzach]

One problem I am seeing is the Murder She Wrote condition, in that he's not set up currently to travel around a large enough area to keep us from wondering about the concentration of odd events and such.

I had the same thought but I think the whole 'Grimm' thing isn't a bloodline or family thing as much as it is a mystical "you're the chosen one" and that Grimm's are a lot more prevalent in the world than just one, in one area, therefore Grimm is a moniker for all hunters like him with the gift of monster-sight.

If that's the case then it's not that monsters are concentrated in one area, it's that they're all over the place and this just happens to be the story of how one of the Grimm's deals with them.

 

[Dire Bare]

I had the same thought but I think the whole 'Grimm' thing isn't a bloodline or family thing as much as it is a mystical "you're the chosen one" and that Grimm's are a lot more prevalent in the world than just one, in one area, therefore Grimm is a moniker for all hunters like him with the gift of monster-sight.

If that's the case then it's not that monsters are concentrated in one area, it's that they're all over the place and this just happens to be the story of how one of the Grimm's deals with them.

The first episode made it pretty clear that being a Grimm IS a family thing. But like many families that are centuries old, the family tree has gotten quite large and you can find other Grimms out there . . . distant cousins, so to speak.

 

[Mark CMG]

One problem I am seeing is the Murder She Wrote condition, in that he's not set up currently to travel around a large enough area to keep us from wondering about the concentration of odd events and such.

To clarify, it doesn't matter how many Grimms there are . . . if this one particular Grimm stays tied to this one locale, and if the show follows only this one particular Grimm, then it becomes problematic in that they will have to have a heavy concentration of odd events in this one locale.


Along the same lines with Dexter, I'm beginning to wonder at the number of serial killers that frequent, reside, and go missing in the Miami area.

 

[Kzach]

So, the monster of the week was Yogi Bear.

 

[Umbran]

To clarify, it doesn't matter how many Grimms there are . . . if this one particular Grimm stays tied to this one locale, and if the show follows only this one particular Grimm, then it becomes problematic in that they will have to have a heavy concentration of odd events in this one locale.

It is a risk, yes. However,there can be some managing that risk - the primary way is to make it so that a goodly chunk of the events look mundane from the outside.

I haven't watched the second episode yet, but the first stands as an example - the events look like a common kidnapping, that the cops probably would not have solved alone. And there's lots of those in the mundane world.