Pathfinder 1E Gunslinger: Deadshot + Rapid Shot?

[Morrus]

How do Deadshot (the deed) and Rapid Shot (the feat) interact for a gunslinger? We've settled on "they don't" - would you agree?

For added difficulty, how does a double-barrelled musket's ability to fire two shots at one target fit in? Finally, for maximum confusion, figuring in a second musket and Quickdraw to bypass reloading times. How does this morass interact, if at all?

 

[Vegepygmy]

How do Deadshot (the deed) and Rapid Shot (the feat) interact for a gunslinger? We've settled on "they don't" - would you agree?

No, I wouldn't. As I read it, the deed says you roll your attacks as if you were making a full attack...so if you are full attacking with a BAB of, say, +8/+3, you roll those two attacks. If the same gunslinger full attacks using Rapid Shot, she makes three attack rolls (at +6/+6/+1). That seems pretty straightforward to me.

For added difficulty, how does a double-barrelled musket's ability to fire two shots at one target fit in?

If both barrels are fired at once, you make two attack rolls (each at -4) as a single attack. If you can reload as a free action and can make more than one attack (due to high BAB or Rapid Shot or both), you can roll those attacks too, and apply Dead Shot for any that hit.

Finally, for maximum confusion, figuring in a second musket and Quickdraw to bypass reloading times. How does this morass interact, if at all?

Other than it being very cheesy, that doesn't seem to be any different than rapidly reloading a single musket; you're just dropping one and quick-drawing another instead of reloading, aren't you?

 

[Morrus]

No, I wouldn't. As I read it, the deed says you roll your attacks as if you were making a full attack...so if you are full attacking with a BAB of, say, +8/+3, you roll those two attacks. If the same gunslinger full attacks using Rapid Shot, she makes three attack rolls (at +6/+6/+1). That seems pretty straightforward to me.

Our reasoning was as follows:

Rapid Shot: When making a full-attack action with a ranged weapon, you can fire one additional time this round. All of your attack rolls take a –2 penalty when using Rapid Shot.

Deadshot: At 7th level, as a full-round action, the gunslinger can take careful aim and pool all of her attack potential into a single, deadly shot. When she does this, she shoots the firearm at a single target, but makes as many attack rolls as she can, based on her base attack bonus. She makes the attack rolls in order from highest bonus to lowest, as if she were making a full attack. If any of the attack rolls hit the target, the gunslinger’s single attack is considered to have hit. For each additional successful attack roll beyond the first, the gunslinger increases the damage of the shot by the base damage dice of the firearm.

The difference is that one refers to a full-attack action, and the other to a full-round action, and I assume this is deliberate - they're two different types of action.

If both barrels are fired at once, you make two attack rolls (each at -4) as a single attack. If you can reload as a free action and can make more than one attack (due to high BAB or Rapid Shot or both), you can roll those attacks too, and apply Dead Shot for any that hit.

Other than it being very cheesy, that doesn't seem to be any different than rapidly reloading a single musket; you're just dropping one and quick-drawing another instead of reloading, aren't you?

You could potentially reload and fire one barrel, but not both. Drawing a new double-barrelled musket would allow you to fire two barrels again, negating any need to reload that second barrel.

 

[Vegepygmy]

Our reasoning was as follows:

Rapid Shot: When making a full-attack action with a ranged weapon, you can fire one additional time this round. All of your attack rolls take a –2 penalty when using Rapid Shot.

Deadshot: At 7th level, as a full-round action, the gunslinger can take careful aim and pool all of her attack potential into a single, deadly shot. When she does this, she shoots the firearm at a single target, but makes as many attack rolls as she can, based on her base attack bonus. She makes the attack rolls in order from highest bonus to lowest, as if she were making a full attack. If any of the attack rolls hit the target, the gunslinger’s single attack is considered to have hit. For each additional successful attack roll beyond the first, the gunslinger increases the damage of the shot by the base damage dice of the firearm.

The difference is that one refers to a full-attack action, and the other to a full-round action, and I assume this is deliberate - they're two different types of action.

My counterargument is that it says: "She makes the attack rolls in order from highest bonus to lowest, as if she were making a full attack." That indicates to me that any feats or abilities that can be used when making a full attack (such as Rapid Shot) can be used when making a Dead Shot, as if it were a full attack action.

 

[Vegepygmy]

One last thought...

The deed also says: "If one or more rolls are critical threats, she confirms the critical once using her highest base attack bonus –5. For each critical threat beyond the first, she reduces this penalty by 1 (to a maximum of 0)."

Since the maximum number of attack rolls a gunslinger could make based on BAB alone is 4, the only way to reduce the penalty to the stated maximum of 0 is if extra attack rolls from effects such as haste and Rapid Shot can be made as part of a Dead Shot.