Harassment At PaizoCon 2017

In our post-Harvey Weinstein world, more and more people in the various entertainment industries are coming forward with allegations of abuse and harassment, both sexual and psychological. The tabletop gaming industry isn't isolated from this wave of revelation as incidents surface, and will likely continue to surface about professionals, and fans, within the gaming communities.

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In our post-Harvey Weinstein world, more and more people in the various entertainment industries are coming forward with allegations of abuse and harassment, both sexual and psychological. The tabletop gaming industry isn't isolated from this wave of revelation as incidents surface, and will likely continue to surface about professionals, and fans, within the gaming communities.


Stories of harassment within tabletop gaming, at conventions and stores, and even in local gaming groups are nothing new. That is probably the saddest fact of this whole thing: that despite stories being brought to light, not only does harassment continue to happen but the existence of it continues to be denied by some. This denial is one of the factors that allows abuse and harassment to continue within tabletop RPGs.

Allegations of improper behavior at the 2017 PaizoCon by Frog God Games CEO Bill Webb were brought to life by Pathfinder content creator Robert Brookes. Brookes was attending PaizoCon and has written for Paizo and Legendary Games, among others. In an incident involving alcohol, Webb allegedly sexually harassed another guest at the convention and when a staffer attempted to intervene and injury occurred with the staffer.

In a thread about harassment and abuse on gaming forum RPGNet, Frog God Games partner Matt Finch, creator of the Swords & Wizardry retroclone, confirmed that the incident with Webb occurred, and revealed some details about an internal investigation that the partners of Frog God Games conducted into the incident:

"I am Matt Finch, the partner of Frog God Games appointed by the partners to investigate a sexual harassment complaint filed against Mr. Webb at PaizoCon 2017. Mr. Webb was not consulted by the partners on this decision. Due to recent accusations made on Twitter by a third party, I will outline the aspects of the situation to the extent that they do not compromise the confidentiality of the person who filed the report, I will describe the nature of our internal investigation, and will also address the recently-raised tweets by Robert Brookes on his twitter feed. This report will not necessarily be updated; it stands for itself at the time of posting, based on the knowledge I currently have.

"First, it is correct that a complaint was filed with Paizo at PaizoCon against Bill. I was made aware of this by phone on the day it happened (I was not present at the convention). Frog God is aware of the identity of the person who made the complaint, because they spoke to three of our partners at the convention after the event. We have not been invited to share that person’s identity, and although we are not under legal obligation to protect that confidentiality we have elected to respect that person’s desire not to have the event brought into the spotlight.

"Gathering information in a situation like this is necessarily limited due to Paizo’s own confidentiality obligations. To assemble information, I spoke to the three partners who had talked with the person who filed the complaint, and obtained their accounts of what they were told. Secondhand accounts are not perfect, and I had to weigh that against the fact that an attorney making direct contact with someone who has filed such a report can be seen as a threat or intimidation, and weighing those two issues, I chose to rely on a comparison of the conversations between the individual and our partners, plus Paizo’s own resolution of the matter at the time, plus a necessarily-cautious review of Bill’s account. There has been contact between the person who filed the complaint and Frog God partners since the event, and I will provide a screenshot of one such communication with the name redacted. I believe the screenshot provides a great deal of clarification.

"Reducing the event to a level that will maintain confidentiality, my understanding based on my investigation was that Bill Webb took an action and engaged in speech that could be construed as a sexual advance or as gender-dismissive.

"In consequence of this finding, I and another senior partner of the company had a meeting with Mr. Webb about expectations, standards of behavior, and future protocol. We addressed that one’s lack of bad intentions does not excuse problematic behavior.

"Some people have asked that Mr. Webb acknowledge and apologize for the situation. Bill does deeply regret his actions, and understands that they were inappropriate and upsetting. I have told Mr. Webb not to contact the person directly, for the same reason that I have not done so myself: the potential for that contact to appear intimidating or threatening. However, at whatever time the person lets us know that a direct apology from Mr. Webb would be welcomed, that apology will be immediately forthcoming. Mr. Webb is also under instruction not to discuss this matter in public, in case peripheral details were to be inadvertently disclosed that might allow the identification of the person by another party. This is also the reason we chose to have me, as the investigating partner, write the public report, given that a report has become necessary in response to a recent description of the event on Twitter."


We reached out to Webb for comment upon this incident, and we were directed to the RPGNet post by Finch. This is the company's official statement on what happened at PaizoCon. Whether or not there will be further repercussions within Frog God Games due to this incident and Webb's actions remain to be seen.

Paizo CEO Lisa Stevens has released an official statement on the incident on the Paizo forums. When EN World reached out to Paizo for official comment, we were directed to this statement:

"My name is Lisa Stevens and I am the CEO and owner of Paizo Inc. Events of the past few weeks have compelled me to make this statement.

"My company will never condone any sexual harassment or assault against any of our employees, male or female. We will never condone any sexual harassment or assault against any of our customers on paizo.com or at sanctioned organized play activities. Whenever I hear any allegations of sexual harassment or assault related to Paizo’s activities, I always immediately drop whatever I'm doing and I make getting to the bottom of these issues my top priority. We have banned people from paizo.com. We have banned people from participating in our organized play activities. We have stopped doing business with individuals. And we will continue to do so.
"As a woman and a survivor of sexual harassment, sexual assault, and rape, I know what it is like to be on the receiving end of these attacks. I know what it is like to feel the shame, the terror, how it changes your life forever. And because of this, I will never stand for my company to condone this behavior.

"Paizo’s employees are encouraged to come forward with any allegations of sexual harassment or assault and let a manager know as soon as possible. If criminal activities have taken place, they are encouraged to report it to the police and take legal action against the perpetrator. We have asked our employees to not engage in explosive and angry dialogue on paizo.com. We want our website to be a place where our customers feel safe and among friends. If there is problem on paizo.com, then our community team will handle it and, where appropriate, ban the perpetrator.

"In closing, you have my word that I have zero tolerance for sexual harassment and assault, and the same is true of Paizo. Please be aware that we treat these issues with tremendous sensitivity, and only disclose the specifics and resolutions of any such incidents on a need-to-know basis, even within Paizo or with our legal counsel. We do not and will not discuss these matters publicly. Every instance that I am aware of has been thoroughly investigated, and appropriate actions have been taken or are in the process of being taken. You have my word on this."


Unrelated to the PaizoCon incident, Brookes also revealed an incident of harassment within the Pathfinder Society organized play program. When a volunteer staffer reported this incident, their supervisor informed them that an NDA they had signed to be part of the program would not allow her to discuss this incident. Paizo has not officially commented on this incident or commented on whether or not there is an investigation into it.

If tabletop role-playing games are truly going to be an inclusive, we have to be better about not just reporting incidents of abuse and harassment but being dedicated to creating spaces that are safe and free of harassment of our fellow gamers. We also need to shine a spotlight onto the incidents of harassment that occur, it is the responsibility of journalists, bloggers and gamers to do this and let people know that their actions will come to light and that they will be held responsible. It is also important to not just talk about those parts of the gaming communities that we don't agree with, but to also bring to light the improper actions of those companies and communities with whom we do agree, because unless every act of harassment is revealed there will be no change within our communities.

Remember that EN World is an inclusive community.
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Eltab

Lord of the Hidden Layer
when we see news that someone has been accused of committing a terrorist act or a mass shooting, very few of us go “Yeah, right!”
I must be one of those very few, a rare gem indeed - or perhaps I am borderline-paranoid.
I wonder if the authorities have identified the correct person (as opposed to "Round up the usual suspects!" from Casablanca). This is a question of evidence, which can be satisfied in short order.
I do not wonder "did it REALLY happen?"
 

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Eltab

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Do we have a duty to condemn a person of sexual harassment based on an accusation alone without any other evidence?
A serial harasser is likely also a conniving manipulator who can / will work to create the circumstances which make it most difficult for outsiders to get a grip on his behavior.
For instances, any of the following
- Get victim alone away from any crowd
- "May I offer you a drink?"
- "Please don't tell the police; my wife and children - who I just happened to bring along on this trip as a vacation - would be so embarrassed."

The duty as I see it is to collect as much evidence as possible (reasonably possible) and maintain records in a place where the next victim - or her lawyer - can find them.
You can't stop a perp on one incident (unless it's his first incident too and he decides to not ever cross that line again) but you can set things up so that he faces escalating likelihood and severity of consequences - including ultimately jail time and being sent places he would not willing go to, such as rehab and detox facilities - if / when he continues doing it.
 

Dannyalcatraz

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I must be one of those very few, a rare gem indeed - or perhaps I am borderline-paranoid.
I wonder if the authorities have identified the correct person (as opposed to "Round up the usual suspects!" from Casablanca).
This is a real issue in the American justice system, as well as probably all others. Still, it is statistically rare for such announcements or arrests to be made.

But even so, the public dialog in cases not involving sexual harassment is completely different. Few people beyond their immediate friends, family and attorneys publically professed the innocence of The Central Park 5. Donald Trump took out a full page ad in the NYT to call for the DA & judge to throw the book at them.

After they were convicted and then subsequently exonerated, few apologized, including the mysteriously mum current POTUS.
This is a question of evidence, which can be satisfied in short order.
I do not wonder "did it REALLY happen?"

Which- to your immense credit- separates you from the people who are doing things like sending death threats to survivors of the Las Vegas shooting.
 

Tell that to Rolling Stone magazine, which made a headline article out of one without doing their due diligence (Univ. of Virginia).
They have - properly - been slammed down in Court. I hope that even the Press will figure out they can't keep muddying the waters by amplifying false claims while poo-pooing real ones.

Another factor which protects high-status individuals* is having the resources to operate a Bimbo Eruptions Unit - one of which became famous in the 1990s.

* possibly a mis-description. I think the protection is offered to members of a specific group / class of people who think they are separate, above, and 'better than' general society.

Fortunately not relevant to the incident which sparked this thread, but difficult to adjudicate justly: what do you do when both individuals were drunk &c at the time and nobody else was around?
He-said/she-said incidents are easily taken and run with by people on both opposite ends of the "blame them not us" axis. I am thankful this incident happened out in public (but better that it had never happened at all) so there WERE third parties available to corroborate testimony.

You're talking about one incident there out of how many thousand? The number of unreported sexual assaults would dwarf the number of false accusations by many times over.

Does that mean that the Rolling Stone incident is ok? No, they didn't do their due diligence (and were duly punished as you point out). However, one person making false accusations does not mean that our default position should be to disbelieve the victim unless than can provide concrete evidence (not that you are suggesting that we should, I'm talking about society in general).

In any case, that is not the situation here at all. What occurred happened in front of several witnesses and no party involved is disputing that fact. It definitely did occur (despite several people in this thread strangely trying to suggest otherwise).
 

Dannyalcatraz

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The number of unreported sexual assaults would dwarf the number of false accusations by many times over.

Current data suggests only 60% of all sexual assault cases are reported.

Investigation & prosection also lags: some cities have as much as a 10 year backlog on processing rape kits. When you translate that into both letting offenders become multiple offenders AND the unjustly accused living under a cloud of suspicion when they could easily be exonerated...

Two major root causes of that backlog: a lack of funding dedicated to doing the work, and that reservoir of distrust of victims I mentioned earlier leading to a lack of due dillegence on the part of investigators.
 

MaskedGuy

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So this might be armchair psychology, but I'm making so far an observation of people doing victim blaming: It seems to be misplaced self defense.

In otherwords, it doesn't sound like they think Bill Webb is victim here, it sounds like they are blaming victim because they are afraid of hypothetical "well what if he is innocent and his career get ruined, that could happen to me!" scenario. Like, tone they are using sounds like "I heard once on Internet that someone got sentence for harmless flirting and their lives ruined!" while ignoring actual facts of this case(or whether anyone ever has actually had their lives ruined over "harmless" flirting whatever that is supposed to be) <_< So thats really dumb and selfish to me and showing glaring lack of empathy since they are indirectly making the whole topic about themselves and their insecurities.
 


Unnatural Lust

School enchantment (compulsion) [emotion, mind-affecting]; Level bard 1, sorcerer/wizard 2, witch 2

Casting Time 1 standard action

Components V, S

Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)

Target one creature

Duration 1 round

Saving Throw Will negates; Spell Resistance yes

Your target is filled with lust and desire for a single creature or object as designated by you at the time of casting. That creature or object must be within the spell's range and perceivable by the target of the spell. The target is filled with the compulsion to rush to the subject of its lust and passionately kiss or caress that subject on its next turn, taking no other actions. If the target would not normally have lustful feelings toward the designated creature or object, it receives a +4 bonus on its saving throw.

The other spells are less immediately obvious, but more pervasive in how they directly replicat the methods used by RL abusers. Only now, it's made magically better, and yet somehow that's okay?

Also, no, killing a cute bunny doesn't count:

...Promise him you will return and then release him with that haunting thought.

Because child abuse=+2 charisma is such an important mechanic.


So just consider this. Is it one of your players casting unnatural lust, sexually abusing a child and then 'magically covering it up, or you as the DM casting the spells, describing what happens to an audience who...what, are just getting this as backstory?. I mean, the only reason to include the mechanics is so they can be used, so are you making the saving throws, or your players?

Or, you know, it was a terrible idea and even more terribly implemented, that at the point they've hit multiple incidents of terrible events, this is the one thing Paizo's admitted fault on and said mea culpa for.
this is vile...I don't play pathfinder, but I think the writer and editor should be fired for coming up with it... this is on many levels worse than the book of erotic fantasy, and that company shut down over it.
 

MaskedGuy

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<_< Since the topic keeps getting derailed by Folca conversation, I suppose I should at least give people context of what they are talking about?


"Folca, the Gaunt Stranger, appears as an unnaturally tall, emaciated man dressed in gray clothing with golden buttons. His featureless face seems to have dozens of childlike hands pressing from within. Folca’s realm is a place of bedrooms, hideouts, kitchens, and playrooms where every perception of safety or protection harbors a hidden potential for terror."


Folca is Daemonic Harbinger, a quasi-deity under horsemen of apocalypse on Abaddon. His areas of concerns are "Abductions, Strangers, Sweets" and his subdomains include lust. What evilref was talking about is his obedience and boon mechanics. Obedience mechanic is for most zealous worshiper of a deity, if they perform their obedience daily, they get a boons from their god which include spell like abilities and usually skill bonuses and even maintain class features of prestige classes. Folca's obedience is "Stalk a child and make him witness or endure a horrifically brutal event. Promise him that you will return, and then release him with that haunting thought. Gain a +2 profane bonus on Charisma-based skill checks." and boon spell like abilities are "1: unnatural lust; 2: modify memory; 3: veil." Folca's art looks like his description from before, but he also has candy cane and large blood dripping sack in his hands. Otherwise, it doesn't really look more disturbing than The Beast from Over the Garden Wall or Summerween Trickster from Gravity Falls, but yeaaaaaaaaaah you get the point.


So in otherwords, Book of the Damned doesn't have mechanics for simulating child abuse, it has mechanic were you get bonus for performing daily child abuse. Up to you which one is worse :p Obediences for evil demigods vary a lot whether they are just religious, dickish, kind of weird, gross, sexually deviant or just plain literal kitten/baby killing evil, here are examples of obediences for some of other daemonic harbingers in comparison: "Shoot a creature from the sky, or push one to its death from a great height.", "Trick an elderly creature into believing it has forgotten something.", "Work on crafting an ever-expanding manifesto of your hatreds and intolerances.", "Willingly play host to a parasite." and "Burn a living creature of at least the size of a cat or infant atop a pyre."


So yeah, Folca's is easily the most disturbing of all obediences I've seen and I'm shocked it got into to the book. I mean, sure it doesn't actually explicitly say it, but it does heavily imply it with unnatural lust being the boon and lust subdomain which is really crossing the line. Considering his picture heavily implies horrific child murder, I'm not sure why anybody felt need to imply directly that part, paizo could have easily left it at child murdering implications instead which is bad enough. And I thought previously that nascent demon lord Menxyr, The Coffin Groom's "Engage in acts of necrophilia" obedience was as bad it would get <_<


But yeah, I already sent James Jacobs emails on my thoughts on Folca and what should be done with it, so not gonna repeat those there, just have to state the obvious aka that he is really disturbing and makes me feel uncomfortable and I can't really imagine any gm ever using him as result.
 
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<_< Since the topic keeps getting derailed by Folca conversation, I suppose I should at least give people context of what they are talking about?


"Folca, the Gaunt Stranger, appears as an unnaturally tall, emaciated man dressed in gray clothing with golden buttons. His featureless face seems to have dozens of childlike hands pressing from within. Folca’s realm is a place of bedrooms, hideouts, kitchens, and playrooms where every perception of safety or protection harbors a hidden potential for terror."


Folca is Daemonic Harbinger, a quasi-deity under horsemen of apocalypse on Abaddon. His areas of concerns are "Abductions, Strangers, Sweets" and his subdomains include lust. What evilref was talking about is his obedience and boon mechanics. Obedience mechanic is for most zealous worshiper of a deity, if they perform their obedience daily, they get a boons from their god which include spell like abilities and usually skill bonuses and even maintain class features of prestige classes. Folca's obedience is "Stalk a child and make him witness or endure a horrifically brutal event. Promise him that you will return, and then release him with that haunting thought. Gain a +2 profane bonus on Charisma-based skill checks." and boon spell like abilities are "1: unnatural lust; 2: modify memory; 3: veil." Folca's art looks like his description from before, but he also has candy cane and large blood dripping sack in his hands. Otherwise, it doesn't really look more disturbing than The Beast from Over the Garden Wall or Summerween Trickster from Gravity Falls, but yeaaaaaaaaaah you get the point.


So in otherwords, Book of the Damned doesn't have mechanics for simulating child abuse, it has mechanic were you get bonus for performing daily child abuse. Up to you which one is worse :p Obediences for evil demigods vary a lot whether they are just religious, dickish, kind of weird, gross, sexually deviant or just plain literal kitten/baby killing evil, here are examples of obediences for some of other daemonic harbingers in comparison: "Shoot a creature from the sky, or push one to its death from a great height.", "Trick an elderly creature into believing it has forgotten something.", "Work on crafting an ever-expanding manifesto of your hatreds and intolerances.", "Willingly play host to a parasite." and "Burn a living creature of at least the size of a cat or infant atop a pyre."


So yeah, Folca's is easily the most disturbing of all obediences I've seen and I'm shocked it got into to the book. I mean, sure it doesn't actually explicitly say it, but it does heavily imply it with unnatural lust being the boon and lust subdomain which is really crossing the line. Considering his picture heavily implies horrific child murder, I'm not sure why anybody felt need to imply directly that part, paizo could have easily left it at child murdering implications instead which is bad enough. And I thought previously that nascent demon lord Menxyr, The Coffin Groom's "Engage in acts of necrophilia" obedience was as bad it would get <_<


But yeah, I already sent James Jacobs emails on my thoughts on Folca and what should be done with it, so not gonna repeat those there, just have to state the obvious aka that he is really disturbing and makes me feel uncomfortable and I can't really imagine any gm ever using him as result.

let me again remind you that is much worse than anything I saw in the erotic book that the company shut down...my god nothing about this is good.
 

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