D&D 5E Hasbro's Goldner - D&D up 50%

[LordEntrails]

Its basically one giant disgusting scam, and I feel it needs to be discouraged. The customer should get what he pays for. It shouldn't be a lottery where most of the time you end up with miniatures you don't want nor need.

Buy the specific mini you want via eBay or if your FLGS sells them individually.

 

[Sacrosanct]

On the whole, people seem pretty positive about 5e edition. I have yet to see any hate towards it. I don't play 5e myself, because I really like 3.5, but I can appreciate a lot of what 5e edition is doing.

This is very different compared to the torrent of hate leveled against 4e edition.

I envy you for your lack of time spend on these forums (or other unnamed sights of a certain color). When 5e was announced, we had people say they would actively go out of their way to try to make it fail. What reasonable person does that? And we frequently have threads here where people complain how the game is a disaster and broken, how WoTC refuses to listen to them or their wants, and anyone defending the developers is an apologist and giving them a free ride. About how they are lazy for not releasing a lot more products, and how rulings over rules is destroying the game, and how the developers all lied to us. Do you want names?

Its basically one giant disgusting scam, and I feel it needs to be discouraged. The customer should get what he pays for. It shouldn't be a lottery where most of the time you end up with miniatures you don't want nor need.

Buy the specific mini you want via eBay or if your FLGS sells them individually.

Pretty much this. It's not a scam. It's a well established process in which you know exactly what you're getting into when you buy the product. A scam is deceptive. This is not. Just because a person doesn't like it does not mean it's a scam. No one is forcing you to buy the blister packs. And you can just as easily buy them individually elsewhere, not to mention the thousands of other individual fantasy minis out there.

 

[Tony Vargas]

You find it implausible that people find it easier to add up smaller numbers than larger ones?

People in general? Meh. Gamers, yeah, we don't mind numbers so much. If you can handle toting up all the dice of your fireball (or meteor swarm) and all the damage from your attacks this round, you can probably handle adding any two-digit number to the result of a d20.

Think about the optics of it: at the table, the fighter before was saying, "Okay, I roll 13 and I have +26" versus now (s)he is saying, "Okay, I roll 13 and have +9". One of these things is simpler;

Yeah, 13 + 26 is simpler because you don't have to carry the 1.

Also, the fighter, 'before,' was either saying: "Okay, I roll 13 and I have +26" or "I roll a 17, a 13, and an 8, and have a +26, +21, and +16." ( That, OK, is a little more complicated.) or "Okay, I roll 13 and have +9, and my THAC0 is..."

 

[Jester David]

Its basically one giant disgusting scam, and I feel it needs to be discouraged. The customer should get what he pays for. It shouldn't be a lottery where most of the time you end up with miniatures you don't want nor need.

Compare the per mini prices of the random WizKids minis to the non-random Attack Wing minis. What changes the price? The random packages.
Because they can sell some boxes with more expensive, detailed minis almost at a loss knowing other boxes will make up the cost. It averages the profit per mini to acceptable numbers.

There's no shortage of secondary vendors that do singles (I recommend https://www.miniaturemarket.com and http://www.trollandtoad.com) so I've never had much problems getting just what I want.

The alternative is Reaper Bones or the WizKids Deep Cuts minis that you have to paint yourself.

 

[hejtmane]

Why are people suprised it is been a big hit with a guy like me from the old TSR days from D&D and AD&D1e has that feel some things I like better and as a DM i have a lot of control. This in turn has grown the business because my kid saw some of my old books (did nto have complete sets) but wanted to play and 5e was a boon because I brought in a entire new group of new players to D&D through my son; which also cascade into a club at his highschool which got large enought to be 16 people which in turn also started a group at my church youth group and it has blown up there as while.

See us old guys with kids came back into the fold and our kids are now playing 5e; that is my guess on why it has been so succesfull.

I have no eiditon bias beyond ad&d 2.0 which I barely played; I was old school D&D and 1e and the orginial Unearth Arcana was my favorite D&D book of all times.

 

[Jester David]

It's also a hit with new kids.

I'm watching Critical Role from last night and Chris Pramas of Green Ronin was talking about the Critical Role book they released was not only the best selling pre-order they'd ever done, but they had to stop selling pre-orders because they were running low in copies.
While I'm sure some people who ordered that might not play 5e (being just fans of the show or fans of Pathfinder or other systems) I imagine the majority play 5e.

 

[Zaukrie]

Nothing but good news here, and people feel the need to prod others to edition war. The internets. Sigh.

 

[OB1]

See us old guys with kids came back into the fold and our kids are now playing 5e; that is my guess on why it has been so succesfull.

Quoted for truth.

Hasbro/WOTC has taken a page out of the Disney playbook and is executing it perfectly.

 

[dagger]

Buy the specific mini you want via eBay or if your FLGS sells them individually.

Thank you! I am sure he didn't realize this before!

 

[JeffB]

My kids prefer OD&D and Dungeon World, but I digress.

I'm not sure how any rational person could argue 5e has not been successful for WOTC. That's just being dense.

I think the majority of people who take issue with 5e, are the small subset who wished they had actually moved forward/broke new ground in design (instead of "cleaning up" a TSR style game) and/or are unhappy with the business/product model. I include myself in both of those camps to one extent or another.

Maybe I am not looking hard enough, but I am not seeing the "5e is a failure" diatribe here or elsewhere.