Healing surge for non core classes?

[Voadam]

All right. For the 4e PH healing surges by class and role go by the following I believe:

Defender
Paladin 10
Fighter 9

Leader
Cleric 7
Warlord 7

Striker
Ranger 6
Rogue 6
Warlock 6

Controller
Wizard 6


Correct?

So Defenders get 9 or 10, leaders get 7, and strikers and controllers get 6.

How about for the other classes introduced so far by WotC? Does anything break this pattern?

How about for the other classes introduced by 3pp? (examples being the XRP and Goodman Games books)

 

[yesnomu]

Defender
Paladin 10
Fighter 9
Warden 9
Swordmage 8

Leader
Cleric 7
Warlord 7
Shaman 7
Bard 7
Artificer 7

Striker
Barbarian 8
Avenger 7
Ranger 6
Rogue 6
Warlock 6
Sorcerer 6

Controller
Druid 7
Invoker 6
Wizard 6

Here's the full list. Druids get one more, befitting their melee ability; Barbs get two more to offset their low defenses, and the Swordmage gets one fewer for reasons I do not know.

EDIT: Hmm, Avengers get one more, too. Weird.

 

[Jack99]

From XRP
Martial artist (striker) 7
Nature Priest (controller) 6
Savage Warrior (defender) 8
Troubadour (leader) 7
Spellbinder (controller) 6

From Goodman Games
Barbarian (defender) 10
Bard (leader) 7
Druid (controller) 6
Monk (striker) 6

From One Bad Egg
Witchdoctor (controller) 8

 

[Scribble]

Here's the full list. Druids get one more, befitting their melee ability; Barbs get two more to offset their low defenses, and the Swordmage gets one fewer for reasons I do not know.

EDIT: Hmm, Avengers get one more, too. Weird.

I think people have said that a "schtik" of the primal power source seems to be higher HPs... so I guess higher HS falls into that?

 

[Umbran]

This is a specific rules question, so I'm sliding it over to the 4e Rules forum.

 

[abyssaldeath]

When did we get info on the Avenger?

 

[fba827]

When did we get info on the Avenger?

From DDXP, one of the pregens was an Avenger. A couple scans of it are linked in a thread or two... if i can find the link i'll try and remember to come back here and post it.

End thread hijack -- back to your regular topic.

for defenders, i think fighter has the 'right' amount and paladins are the freaks with the extra one.


Edit: here is the link that has scans from ddxp's pregenerated avenger for the game there.
http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/249543-d-d-xp.html

 

[Mr. Teapot]

for defenders, i think fighter has the 'right' amount and paladins are the freaks with the extra one.

Paladins get an extra surge because they'll be spending some of their surges on Lay on Hands to heal other people.

 

[yesnomu]

Paladins get an extra surge because they'll be spending some of their surges on Lay on Hands to heal other people.

Plus, they're a bit MAD, and can't afford to pump Con as much as a fighter.