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[Isida Kep'Tukari]

GFA, what kind of intelligent weapon are we talking about here? I want to see what you're getting at.

 

[rangerjohn]

Your example makes no sense John... I'm not fallowing how the BAB of +5 is different between a desert ranger with rogue classes or a desert ranger with LA placement holders.

You still need the feats, and your BAB doesn't adjust too +5 until after that level is taken so your still looking at 6th level before you can take it... Gestalt characters do not gain access to anything faster than normal PCs.

You need to compare the two tables to understand what I'm talking about. With both Boundblade and LA at the high end, it means I have to take something else at the low end. BTW your right about the feats and b.a.b., but the other way I was able to meet them, without taking more levels of rouge. Maybe if I extend the second table where you can fully compare them.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

You need to compare the two tables to understand what I'm talking about. With both Boundblade and LA at the high end, it means I have to take something else at the low end.

Still not seeing it you swapped a ranger level for a rogue level but neither of them have requirements so it was your choice and no one elses... I see what you mean about being foreced to take your rogue levels at a lower level though.

 

[rangerjohn]

Still not seeing it you swapped a ranger level for a rogue level but neither of them have requirements so it was your choice and no one elses... I see what you mean about being foreced to take your rogue levels at a lower level though.

Compare the two tables, closely I took ranger in that level as well. You can't take ranger/ranger. I also couldn't take Boundblade because of the prereqs. So that meant it had to be a level of rogue or a completely new class.
The difference comes in with the Boundblade and LA being in the high end. In the first instance I was able to take ranger/Bounblade in levels 8-10. You cannot take ranger/Boundblade at levels 1-3, when things are reversed.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

Compare the two tables, closely I took ranger in that level as well. *snip*

Fine fine, I see your point... I would rather have the better saves and such but it's just me... :shurgs:

 

[rangerjohn]

Fine fine, I see your point... I would rather have the better saves and such but it's just me... :shurgs:

It comes down to a reflex save of +2, more skill points, to used in skills that make our characters more alike and 1d6 sneak attack.
Vs +1 caster level, +1 natural armor, +10 movement in the desert.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

It comes down to a reflex save of +2, more skill points, to used in skills that make our characters more alike and 1d6 sneak attack.
Vs +1 caster level, +1 natural armor, +10 movement in the desert.

Okay, first I don't think you could make your character like mine skill wise if you tried... Second, I'm not sure if you realize it but your comments seem to suggest your more worried about what's best for your own character and no one else’s...

Personally I think it should be at the end, it's not really defined in normal D&D as a LA is a placeholder to even the game and nothing more, and nothing less, but you can’t have a LA without having a HD so your class, or racial, level has to come first. (IMO)

All that said it doesn't really effect my character too much, my wife's is effected a little bit more but it's manageable... As I said before I just want to see something offical.

 

[Isida Kep'Tukari]

Ok, I've spent about an hour IMing back and forth with Brother Shatterstone about the fractional saves, and I think we can make them work. You can send your character level spread to Bro, or I can send the template to you so you can work on your own character. Or you can send your character to me and I'll do it (as I think I have it figured out now). Overall I think this will result in less confusion as to how to do saves and whatnot. Just sent me (or Bro) your charaters so they're mostly like this.

----Class A----------Class B
1. Genie-Kin--------Rogue
2. Genie-Kin--------Rogue
3. Genie-Kin--------Rogue
4. Sorcerer---------Rogue
5. Sorcerer---------Rogue
6. Sorcerer---------Rogue
7. Sorcerer---------Rogue
8. Sorcerer---------Rogue
9. Sorcerer---------Rogue
10. Sorcerer---------Rogue

Etc. and so forth. And remind us of the save and BAB progression for the PrCs and stuff.

Also, I'm making a final ruling that LA goes at beginning, not the end.

 

[rangerjohn]

Ok, I've spent about an hour IMing back and forth with Brother Shatterstone about the fractional saves, and I think we can make them work.

Also, I'm making a final ruling that LA goes at beginning, not the end.

Ok, then my character stays the same. As I said before the fractional saves didn't make a difference. Now that will change as things go forward.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

As I said before the fractional saves didn't make a difference.

Don't worry I'll look at your character anyhow...

So as is progression official?