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d12

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I want to build a nice computer. I know enough to put the parts together myself and install the operating system and software but I don't know where to start in terms of buying the parts. I also really don't know all that much about the important things that are only important to pc gamers like front end bus speed and such. Here's what i have in mind.

Needs to run windows xp but I already own this.
I game a lot and I need something that will run Neverwinter nights well.
Pentium 4 or equivalent processor.
Decent video card.

I already have the monitor, keyborad, etc...we're just talkign about the box here.

It doesn't need to be top of the line - I can't afford top of the line. But what could I do with $400-$500 dollars?
 

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pick up a 'Computer Shopper' or other magazine and start researching some of the prices. I haven't built one in a while, but start the basics of what you want, then set priorities as to how much you will pay per component.
Get the motherboard and case, making sure they will work together, and if you plan to keep toying with the guts a lot get a big case. Pick up your HD (5400? 7200? faster?), processor (intel pentium? AMD? speed?) memory (gotta get at least 256, recommend 512 or more if you can to multitask), followed by your video & sound, internet connection (NIC to a network? or need a modem for dialup?), and after that assemble your frankenstein. You will need the cables and such as well, and there are some good guides on ZDNet or others. Microsoft has compiled lists of incompatiable stuff on their site somewhere, and before getting everything together check it out to make sure you are covered - which reminds me, make sure the places you get your components from has a good return policy. You would be bitter if your 2nd-hand soundblaster card is crap and they won't take it back.

Keep in mind that with the low costs of machines these days, it may be worth it to get an eMachine or similar, or hold out for something more, as they usually have a warantee if ANYTHING goes wrong with it. BTW, I still recommend Dell. Not that I work for them, just don't like HP's service or equipment and Gateway has been just so-so in my experience. Dell has been running my company for some time now, and has replaced only 3 components without a hassle (out of 10 machines throughout ~5 years).
 

d12 said:
I want to build a nice computer. I know enough to put the parts together myself and install the operating system and software but I don't know where to start in terms of buying the parts. I also really don't know all that much about the important things that are only important to pc gamers like front end bus speed and such. Here's what i have in mind.

Needs to run windows xp but I already own this.
I game a lot and I need something that will run Neverwinter nights well.
Pentium 4 or equivalent processor.
Decent video card.

I already have the monitor, keyborad, etc...we're just talkign about the box here.

It doesn't need to be top of the line - I can't afford top of the line. But what could I do with $400-$500 dollars?
I'd check out sites like www.pricewatch.com and www.newegg.com for ideas on how much stuff can go for.

A decent video card will be a good chunk of money, and you really should get a top of the line one, so it's good for a few years. A decent processor won't run too much, but make sure you have a mobo that can use it, and RAM that the mobo can use.
 

For large games it's all about the RAM. Get the fastest RAM your motherboard can run, and I would even base my motherboard choice on its total RAM capacity.

If you have a pentium 4, then you're probably fine running NWN. A fast hard drive can also help with speed, especially if you can put them in a RAID configuration which some motherboards can support.
 


Painfully said:
For large games it's all about the RAM. Get the fastest RAM your motherboard can run, and I would even base my motherboard choice on its total RAM capacity.
I'd say that's only half right. Yes, you should get the fastest RAM you can afford. But the total amount isn't all that important once you're somewhere in the 512 MB to 1 GB mark. Very few programs require that much memory (virtually no game), and Windows will store much of it's memory in a page file when it isn't needed (like when you're gaming). Heck, even if you have all the RAM you need, Windows will still use a page file to leave the memory open in case it's needed. Certainly any decent motherboard can handle 1 GB of RAM, which is all you'll ever need for the life of that motherboard unless you do more demanding things than just gaming.

The key thing to remember is that nowadays the bottleneck in most systems is the bandwidth of various busses. Great, you have a kabillion gigahertz cpu, and a googleplex worth of ram, and the latest video card, but it doesn't do you much good if you can't move data between the devices fast enough to use them to their fullest power...

In short, don't skimp on one component for the sake of others. It's usually best to have all good components, in place of a system with mostly average components and a few elite parts.
 

Having just gone through the same process you're entering right now, I'll give you some of my thoughts.

Generally: Go to http://www.pricewatch.com. Unlike newegg and some other sites, they don't sell anything on pricewatch. Instead, they track prices across a number of websites. This is a handy tool for finding what you need.

1) Processor: This should be the first category you make a decision about. Other things will depend on it. There are two choices, AMD and Intel. If you're looking for mid-range performance, go Athlon. If you're looking to go high-end, go Intel. Athlon processors give better value for money up until you hit the Athlon XP 2600+. Beyond that, AMD's equivalency ratings are substantially off, and a P4 will out perform an Athlon consistently. You can "save" a few bucks here by going OEM. I've never had a processor go bad within the time period where it was worth the hassel to use the warranty. However, by the time you've bought a fan and heatsink combo, you haven't really saved any money.

Pay the extra few dollars and go with the highest bus speed you can find.

I went with an Intel P4 3.0 GHz @800 MHz, but I went top shelf this time.

2) Mainboard: If you've gone Athlon, I'd recommend the ASUS
A7N8X Deluxe nForce2. It's very nice for the price and has a broad feature set. If you're going Intel, the ASUS P4P800 Deluxe is awesome. This was one of the least difficult hardware configs I've done and I blame this board for half of it.

3) Memory: For memory, there's really one choice in my book. Corsair. In particular, I'd go with 2 sticks of 512-MB Corsair XMS DDR400/PC3200. It's going to be more expensive, but it's mad fast. It's seriously low latency RAM that will make you happy without ever knowing why.

4) Video Card: Right now, you can get an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256 for about $300.00. While you could blow the extra $100 dollars on the XT version, I'm not sure its worth it in terms of value for money.

5) N.B.: If you go with a P4, remember to buy a new P4 compatible power supply. I didn't and it delayed my build for a few hours. You can get a decent PS for about $20 on Pricewatch. I spent $40, but I didn't want to wait for shipping.

6) That other stuff: Get a fast Hard Drive. Even if you have to skimp and go small, do it. Fast hard drive equals less waiting for information to hit your MB and Proc. You can always get a bigger Hard Drive later to use for storage. I scavenged a sound card from my old machine, but the MB has onboard sound (pretty good too!). Most new Motherboards also have a built in NIC. If you don't have a broad band connection, you'll need a PCI modem. Get the cheapest floppy drive you can find (if you even bother). They're cheap and there hasn't been a noteworthy update to the technology in years. CD-Rom drives are also cheap. I'll let you find what suits your needs. I've had the same case for years now. I've got no problems with a basic grey box though. If you do, there are a million customizations you can do, most of which are a matter of personal taste.

Let me know if you've got any questions. I'll be glad to help you find a good system for however much you're willing to spend.

--G
 
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Research research research. If you are going to build a computer then you need to know exactly what you need and why so you don't end up a month later beating your head against a wall. I am a fan of Tom's Hardware for information myself and I would also reccomend getting a do it yourself magazine like Maximum PC's build the Perfect PC (I'm a big fan of Maximum PC magazine)Computer shopper is also a must read. Research and compare prices and don't rush into anything, use pricewatch.com to get the best prices and make sure to check a companies ratings before you order from them. I have about a 100 different computer sites saved on my favorites list, there is no shortage of information out there. Here is a list of some information sites and some merchants, I've never ordered from most of them but you can learn a lot by just reading the sites (then go to pricewatch and find the best price for the part).

http://www6.tomshardware.com/
http://www.motherboards.org/
http://www.pricewatch.com/
http://www.crucial.com/index.asp
http://www.newegg.com/
http://www.tcwo.com/
http://compgeeks.com/
http://www.motherboards.com/catalog/
http://www.mbx.com/
http://www.insightcomponents.com/ic/index.php
http://directron.com/
http://63.86.201.5/cgi-bin/showcat.pl?page=home.htm&keyword=hdfront001&UID=2004010917393379
http://www.tigerdirect.com/indexus.asp?SRCCODE=WEBO20617
http://www.procooling.com/
http://www.pcmods.com/
http://www.windrivers.com/
http://techsupportalert.com/
 
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jdavis said:
Research research research. If you are going to build a computer then you need to know exactly what you need and why so you don't end up a month later beating your head against a wall. I am a fan of Tom's Hardware for information myself and I would also reccomend getting a do it yourself magazine like Maximum PC's build the Perfect PC (I'm a big fan of Maximum PC magazine)Computer shopper is also a must read. Research and compare prices and don't rush into anything, use pricewatch.com to get the best prices and make sure to check a companies ratings before you order from them. I have about a 100 different computer sites saved on my favorites list, there is no shortage of information out there. Here is a list of some information sites and some merchants, I've never ordered from most of them but you can learn a lot by just reading the sites (then go to pricewatch and find the best price for the part).

http://www6.tomshardware.com/
http://www.motherboards.org/
http://www.pricewatch.com/
http://www.crucial.com/index.asp
http://www.newegg.com/
http://www.tcwo.com/
http://compgeeks.com/
http://www.motherboards.com/catalog/
http://www.mbx.com/
http://www.insightcomponents.com/ic/index.php
http://directron.com/
http://63.86.201.5/cgi-bin/showcat.pl?page=home.htm&keyword=hdfront001&UID=2004010917393379
http://www.tigerdirect.com/indexus.asp?SRCCODE=WEBO20617
http://www.procooling.com/
http://www.pcmods.com/
http://www.windrivers.com/
http://techsupportalert.com/


Likewise, http://www.anandtech.com is a good site for getting solid information on components. I used both anand and tom's when determining what to put into my gaming rig.

--G
 

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