Extrapolating my current Six Person Group to Level 12 I believe that the Angel of Emptiness would be able to kill the entire party!!! Even its third attack will hit often when Magical Armor Class Bonuses are removed and a Difficulty Class 22 Fortitude Saving Throw will be very difficult once Magical Saving Throw Bonuses have been removed. 10 points of Damage Reduction that is unsurpassable combined with Magical Damage Bonuses being removed reduces the amount of damage output by quite a bit!! How would a Level 12 party kill this guy?
Help with eye-balling CR
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I know you already have the bits of the creatures you want above Jack99 but going from my post earlier maybe I could suggest something further.
If you take the the Divine Mind from the Complete Psionic as a Base for abilities then trim off the multiple Mantles and beef up a single, representative Mantle then you can have an interesting place to start for each of the creatures.
Add in Racial Hit Dice and abilities suitable for the typical Day of the Angel and you are nearly there!
You will have 3 creatures who each have very good Saving Throws, interesting abilities, and work very well as a Team but much less-so apart.
The Permanent Anti-Magic Field is very strong! Malevolence will create Party Conflict but in a Bad Way unless it is a very good group. Counterstriking every incoming Melee Attack could wipe out a Player Character or two before they even realize something bad is happening!
If you take the the Divine Mind from the Complete Psionic as a Base for abilities then trim off the multiple Mantles and beef up a single, representative Mantle then you can have an interesting place to start for each of the creatures.
Add in Racial Hit Dice and abilities suitable for the typical Day of the Angel and you are nearly there!
You will have 3 creatures who each have very good Saving Throws, interesting abilities, and work very well as a Team but much less-so apart.
The Permanent Anti-Magic Field is very strong! Malevolence will create Party Conflict but in a Bad Way unless it is a very good group. Counterstriking every incoming Melee Attack could wipe out a Player Character or two before they even realize something bad is happening!
moritheil
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Slaved said:
The last time I built a level 12 character for use in a campaign, it had over +18 to fort saves. So no, the stunning is not automatic. If you skimp on saves, it may well be, but that's a character build issue.
Note also that if you have a tank with damage reduction that does not come from a magic item or spell - for example, if you have a half-celestial - then the monster cannot easily overcome your damage reduction either. Disarm or sunder its mace, then chip away at its health. Have readied actions to heal and withdraw to heal at regular intervals.
moritheil
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Hmm, now that I think about it, I guess Divine Grace wouldn't work in the AMF. But still, all you need is over +12 to have better than 50% chance of saving. It's not great, but it should be doable.
I will agree that if the party rolls poorly on saves or the angel rolls well on stun duration, it's TPK time. 6 rounds of stun means you are basically out for the fight.
I will agree that if the party rolls poorly on saves or the angel rolls well on stun duration, it's TPK time. 6 rounds of stun means you are basically out for the fight.
Old_school_overlord
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Isn't damage reduction Supernatural usually, and therefore inactive in an AMF?
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