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Help with getting my stories published.

I've been looking into various venues for submitting short stories and proposing novels - both fantasy and traditional literary - but I know the collective intelligence on these boards can make any problem easier to confront, so I ask for help and advice. Thank you.
 

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You can submit them to periodicals that take short stories like Fantasy and Science Fiction and Realms of Fantasy. You can enter contests, the winner of the contest usually receives an award and publication in an anthology or publication. There are lots of listings for contests in the publications I mentioned. You can submit to agents who accept submissions from new authors. If one of them likes your stuff, then they may try to sell your work to a publishing house. It doesn't sound like too many publishing houses accept unsolicited submissions, but you can try that as well.

Do you read writing periodicals like The Writer or Writer's Digest? They generally have lots of good information on how to get published. They often feature articles listing the names of publishing houses and agents willing to look at the material of first time authors. They even list what types of manuscrips they will take such as ficiton, non-ficiton, self-help, or fantasy/sci fi. They list lots of information on book marketing and writing contests.

Keep at it until someone picks up your stuff. I'm intending on pushing for publication someday myself, but right now I am just developing the necessary skills and knowledge of the craft to be good. Writing is a tough business. Takes alot to stand out and even then it might not be enough.
 

Writer's Market

Run, do not walk to your local bookseller and pick up a copy of Writer's Market. It should be in the reference section. THe 2005 edition should be out soon. It lists all sorts of publishers and their contact info, submission guidelines and pay rates. It is a great tool for finding good fits for your work.

Grim
 

Sometime it is easy to write for other publications, then use that as part of your resume. What I mean by this that there are a number of mags out there that will publish anything just becaue they need filler and IF you do get published you will be looked at better than someone that was never published (oh and penthouse letters does not count), this does mean you may have to write about firetrucks, dogs, cats, rowboats, white water rafting, etc... This could even be a local paper.

Just look around at your local mag rack and start picking up the less-popular zines.

Classes, check to see if your local college or tech school provides writting classes, the biggest thing here is proofing and other people outside your group sees your stuff.
 

Could you be a little more specific? What are we talking about here? SF? Fantasy? Mystery? Literary fiction? What lengths -- novels, short stories, what?

Forget the Writer's Market for the moment. That can eventually come in handy, but for the time being, you're better off spending no money and going to:

http://www.ralan.com/

You'll see markets separated into Anthology markets, Book markets, and then short story markets that either pay nothing, a little, or enough to be considered pro-level by the Science Fiction Writers of America.

Also, depending on what level of writing you're at, you might consider attending a fiction-writing workshop or joining a local (or online) Writers Group. There are some great workshops (I went to one this weekend) that are focused on how to sell your stuff in today's market -- these are not the "Oh, but does it capture the true essence?" fiction workshops some people remember from college. Critters (no URL handy -- Google "critters online workshop", and last I checked, its URL was something like brain_of_poo, which should narrow it down a bit) is a respected online writing group, if you can't find a local one. (And if you join a local one, make sure your goals are compatible with their goals.)

Follow up, and I can offer something more detailed (like workshops that might be near you or specifically good for your needs).

EDIT: Duh. You said all that. For short stories, Ralan is good for both SF and Literary -- although there are other places with more complete literary listings. Make sure to read and follow their guidelines when submitting to them. A 9,000 word sword&sorcery epic is not going to sell at Fortean Bureau no matter how good it is.

For novel proposals: Do you have the novels done? If not, write 'em. If so, then take a look at Ralan's book lists. Or go to your friendly local bookstore, find a few books that you think are like what you wrote, and see who published them. Then find their website and see if they take unagented fiction submissions, and take a look at their guidelines.
 
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RangerWickett said:
I've been looking into various venues for submitting short stories and proposing novels - both fantasy and traditional literary - but I know the collective intelligence on these boards can make any problem easier to confront, so I ask for help and advice. Thank you.
Other general advice... (since takrys beat me to the ralan.com reference...great site, by the way)... Look for literary groups in your genre in your town. You may discount it, but sitting down with people that read and write in your genre is one of the best ways to find out what you're doing right and wrong. Here in Austin, we have one that's run by a couple of published authors. I have found them very helpful. I don't know if an online venue would be as helpful, but it might be. Actually sitting and talking (and reading your story aloud to a group) helped me a lot more. Gets you that thick skin you need for the impending rejection notices, as well. :)

All that other obvious stuff, like reading and following guidelines, getting at least one copy of the periodical you're interested in sending stories to...etc.

Your Ebberron submission was quality stuff. Good luck on future projects.
 

Good points, Ragboy. I agree that an in-person group is, all things considered, preferable to an online group. I can keep in touch with my Clarion* buddies pretty well online, but that's because I spent six weeks seeing them every day. For me, at least, online is good for maintaining relationships, but lousy for starting them. (Please note: Only my experience. Others may have radically different experiences.)

* Clarion is a six-week workshop held in Michigan (and Clarion West is held in Seattle) once per year, in which somewhere between 12 and 20 writers write a new short story each week and get it critiqued by the group, which is led by a different professional writer or editor each week. Sort of a boot camp for short story writers. Costs a fair amount, but scholarships are available. Also takes six weeks, but you are never, ever, ever going to have a time in your life where you've got $2,000 and six free weeks just lying around waiting for you to do something with it. If you can find a way to make it happen, it's a great experience.

So, let's assume that Ragboy and I have convinced you to find a local writing group. Here (in no particular order) are things I think are important:

- How formal is it? If it has a completely draconian series of rules and regulations, you might not enjoy it. On the other hand, if it's a "come whenever, stay 'til whenever" deal with no real format, it might not be focused enough for you. You want to find something that fits your style. (For example, I'm currently in a group with some formalized rules because we had one problem person awhile back. Ninety percent of the time, the rules don't matter, but they're good for that other 10%.)

- How often does it meet? Every week is pretty ambitious. Once every three months is really more of a four-times-per-year convention than a writing group. My group meets once per month, and that works for us. That's great to get criticism. However, if you want a writing group to motivate you to write, meeting once per month might not be enough. So figure out what purpose this group is going to serve for you.

- What's the general writing feel? A group consisting entirely of female-protagonist mystery novel writers is not going to be a great critique group for your sword & sorcery short stories -- or your literary fiction, come to it. My current group is mostly SF&F, but every once in awhile, somebody writes something non-speculative, and that's not a problem. Make sure that you've got a group that is writing something that, at the very least, includes most of what you'd want to write.

- What's the general writing level? If the group consists entirely of authors who have published trilogies in print, they and you might well find it frustrating to have you in the group. This isn't a slam -- everybody starts somewhere. But the problems and growth areas of folks with three novels in print are different from the problems of writers trying to break in. On the other hand, if nobody in the group has ever gotten anything published, you might wanna ask whether this is a group that is going to be able to give you the advice you need to help get published. My current group includes many folks with high-level workshop experience (Clarion grads, or grads of programs like Clarion), several of whom have publication credits. This is just about the perfect level for me. I don't rattle around feeling like I'm the best writer in the group, but I never feel like somebody is so far above me that I can't possibly crit their stuff. Other groups include new writers but are led by pro-level authors -- so there's one clear mentor in the group. That's a bit more like a class than a collective workshop, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

- The Gaming Rule: Would you want to spend time with these people outside of the writing group? Hugely important. If somebody makes you feel massively uncomfortable by commiting some writing-group party fouls**, chances are that they's nore going to suddenly change their behavior completely, and you have to figure out whether you can put up with it because the other folks are so cool, or if you need to get out of town.

** Here's a short list: (Everybody is going to do some of these to some degree. The key is the degree to which they do it.)

-- Telling you the story they would have written instead of critiquing your story. (Saying "This plot element didn't work. Perhaps instead you could..." is okay. Saying "I would have written about this instead, because it's so much more exciting, and here's what I would have done..." is not.)
-- Trying to score points by being clever. Fun is fun, but when a critique turns into somebody's stand-up comedy act, it can become "making fun of the writer", who, by the rules of most critiques, is not allowed to respond until all critiquers have finished... and that's lame.
-- Attacking the genre of the story you're writing. (ie, "I guess this is fine for a fantasy story. It does have the usual fantasy story cliche plot...") Not liking a genre is fine. When folks get a story in a genre they dislike, they either get past it or simply say, "I'm sorry, I'm not your target audience, and I don't feel I can add anything useful here." Anyone writing anything with rockets, lasers, or cyberspace has no business getting prissy because someone else likes swords better. (It can happen the other way, but generally, SF writers are the ones initiating the little genre war.)
-- Showing up without having read your story (unless there's a darn good reason)
-- Only showing up for meetings where they have something to get critiqued (after missing every meeting where they don't have something getting critted)
-- Submitting a long story at the very last moment. Go by the rules, of course, but in most groups, it's nice to have at least a week to read a short story or three weeks to read a novel.
-- Submitting a short story when there are already a lot of stories submitted for that meeting (although this is fine in groups that meet rarely and assume that everyone will sub something, of course).

Anyway, that's a general overview. Hope it helps. And dude, let us know how it's going!
 

takyris said:
Also, depending on what level of writing you're at, you might consider attending a fiction-writing workshop or joining a local (or online) Writers Group. There are some great workshops (I went to one this weekend) that are focused on how to sell your stuff in today's market -- these are not the "Oh, but does it capture the true essence?" fiction workshops some people remember from college. Critters (no URL handy -- Google "critters online workshop", and last I checked, its URL was something like brain_of_poo, which should narrow it down a bit) is a respected online writing group, if you can't find a local one.

I second this motion! Critters is fabulous. I'm not active with them right now because I'm not writing fiction right now, but it is an excellent group with an excellent dynamic. They can be found at
http://www.critters.org.

Take care all!
 

FraserRonald said:
I second this motion! Critters is fabulous. I'm not active with them right now because I'm not writing fiction right now, but it is an excellent group with an excellent dynamic. They can be found at
http://www.critters.org.

Take care all!

I'll third the nomination for Critters. I started there and found it useful (I've now authored several novels for WotC's Forgotten Realms line, with another trilogy in the works). There is nothing quite as helpful as having non-family, non-friends critique your work. Sometimes it's hard to hear, but the one thing I took away from the experience (and all writers, I think, should do the same) is this: mercilessly critique your own work and never get overly attached to a passage or scene.

As with anything, you run into a handful of cranks and less-than-helpful critiquers, but the Critter Cap'n tends to nip that stuff in the bud fairly quick. Note that you must critique others' work in order to remain in good standing. In some ways, I found that more useful than receiving critiques.

Ranger, my private email is available too, if you have further questions you'd prefer not to post: paulsvantekemp at yahoo dot com.

Paul
 
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A heretical thought - go visit a different web-board. bar.baen.com is the web-board for one of the best sci-fi/fantasy publishers out there, and quite a few of their published authors drop by often.
The reason I recommend this approach is that I have seen quite a bit of good advice on writing and getting published there, scattered about.

This won't solve your problem entirely, but it does serve to A) get you pointed in the direction of one publisher, B) give you info on what that publisher wants, C) potentially put you in touch with some good advice about writing.
 

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