Heroes Season [Volume] 2 (#24)---9/24/07-'Four Months Later'

[Victim]

. His goal is to take powers, especially from those ungrateful ones who have power and don't want it.

I don't think there is no 'especially' anymore. Sylar has shed that justification for his actions; he's killed people who were happy with their powers. That object melting guy seemed to love his power - despite the fact that it was destroying his own stuff. His talk of having wanted to be special was the same as Sylar's.

 

[F5]

I just got around to watching this episode that I had Tivo-ed, so now I have to try and catch up with thsi thread.

First off...yay, rampant Heroes speculation! How I've missed you...don't ever go away again, do you hear?

Second...I think it's possible that the Hatian wiped Peter's mind. But I don't think it's as simple as "The Hatian took away his memories so he wouldn't go nuclear again"... I think there's something more sinister going on. Remember that in every picture of the Boogeyman that Molly draws, the "hero" symbol figures prominently. The necklace that Peter's wearing could just as likely trace back to the Boogeyman as to the Hatian.

Also, I think it's obvious that Nathan isn't his own man, anymore. Just as, I think, Jessica wasn't her own woman in her half-life inside Nikki's brain. I agree there are definitely parallels between Nathan/Peter and Nikki/Jessica. Also remember that the Hero symbol showed up as a tattoo when Jessica took over. I think this traces back to the Boogeyman, as well. The boogeyman may have some kind of power to snag the "souls" of heroes that have died, and bring them back under his control by binding them with the living (as he did with Jessica). This is one of the reasons it is so terrifying for Molly that the Boogeyman can "see her"...he's looking at her from somewhere the living aren't ever supposed to see...

So, Nathan died, and the boogeyman brought him back. The face in the mirror is the "real" nathan, burned and scarred and irradiated. The face we see is the "Jessica" version of Nathan, for lack of a better word. I'm pretty confident that, at some point, we'll see a Hero Symbol tattoo on Nathan, somewhere.

Also, if he has the power to resurrect dead heroes as thralls, I think it's pretty obvious that's how Sylar makes his comeback...

Can anybody confirm if Jessica/Nikki were twins? If so, were they identical? I don't remember. I'm speculating that Jessica wasn't just in Nikki's head, that when they switched, they actually switched bodies. No one could tell that they had switched bodies because they were identical twins. Hence, the tattoo is there on Jessica, not on Nikki.

***insert Occam's Razor here***

Or, one of the powers that Peter has absorbed from Sylar and didn't know about is the ability to share powers with others, and he just Regenerated Nathan that way. But what fun is a solution that takes up 3 lines of text, rather than 3 paragraphs, to explain?

 

[Man in the Funny Hat]

I may be off base here as I speculate only on what I've seen on the shows, not online comics, etc. But...

4 months is a long time. All this first episode did for me was START to set the stage. Things HAPPENED during the intervening months. What those things were will no doubt be revealed gradually over the season. Nathan APPEARS to be all over the world, possibly handing out marked photos. But the photos for Mrs. Petrelli and Mr. Nakamura were torn halves of ONE photo. That doesn't quite yet indicate there is someone killing "the nine". It suggests to me that WHERE and WHY that photo of the two of them was taken may be more significant.

Also, we can't assume that Nathan is who he appears to be - he (she?!) may be another hero using disguise or illusion abilities posing as Nathan for some reason. Again - too early to tell. There almost aren't enough facts to speculate, but that scene with Nathan looking in the mirror got me thinking that SOMEONE is posing as Nathan or has given Nathan some form of disguise ability. Maybe that's a new power for someone yet unseen - the ability to transfer powers as opposed to having to take them by force, or absorb them uncontrollably. There's also the thing about the election. What DID happen with that? Has Nathan "disappeared" as far as the public knows? Did he just resign or have a public emotional meltdown or what?

I have no doubt that there will be a number of flashback episodes filling in the 4 months of time. Matts divorce, for example, might then be much better explained, and that otherwise felt REALLY abrupt. Heck, his wife is/was pregnant, right? That is a non-trivial fact ahm a-thinkin. Matt is taking care of Molly. Did that begin before or after the divorce? Was Molly a factor there, perhaps with Matt insisting on adoption while they had their own baby on the way? WAS she formally adopted by the Parkmans, or were they appointed legal guardians or what?

Hiro's situation also has to figure into things in ways we don't yet see any sign of. It HAS to, otherwise his situation is UTTERLY unrelated to everything else happening. Something about "fixing" the Kensai legends has an impact on PRESENT events. It's not JUST making the stories his father told him come true. It's like last season when he went to the future and put together that complicated string-and-clipping timeline in Isaacs loft. He had to figure out the key event/events to influence in order to fix the future - but what about the future is broken as a result of the Kensai situation has not yet been revealed. Perhaps a number of episodes will continue to set up a bad/worsening situation that will be fixed by Hiro changing things in the past.

Overall, it struck me as very like the first episode of the first season. It's all introduction of characters and exposition - and that won't be complete until after the second episode. There are still heroes to be re-introduced and have their present situations set up for us - which will of course not make complete sense because of the lack of knowledge of what's happened over the last 4 months.

I need to watch this episode again though. I was in a very zombie state when I first watched it because of my work schedule. For example I didn't notice the Hatians necklace on Peter.

But that's another thing - what HAPPENED to Peter? Nathan sure seems to think he's dead, so when did he regenerate and how did NATHAN survive? We all assume that Peter regenerated because he absorbed Claires power - but then who did Peter come across after reconstituting himself, absorbing that telekinetic-force power and bringing about that memory wipe? It would be logical to speculate that it was the Hatian, but WHY? And why lock him up in a shipping container? And the 1000 year old hero was looking for that SPECIFIC container on the docks - so who led him to look for it and why? HE thinks he's getting goods to fence or whatever, but it's not just coincidence that the ONE container he's looking for is Peters.

And lastly we have no connection whatever yet from the brother and sister fugitives to anyone else. They're simply trying to reach New York to talk to Mohinder (or more accurately to his father who wrote the book). It IS that same book he wrote isn't it? I didn't get a good look at it to see. Insufficient data for meaningful speculation.

 

[Steel_Wind]

Peter's survival is simply Claire's power. So that's easy.

Nathan's survival is simpler still: he dropped Peter and flew away at Mach V.

*BOOM*

As I noted above - I don't think anything Hiro does in the past has any consequence on the future except that it gives Kensei or possibly the Swordsmith's daughter the power to come forward in time. That does not mean it's not fun to watch though.

As for the divorces and deaths - I think that the writers discovered that it's difficult to write a dynamic action drama with all these spouses hanging around. So we see them drop like flies. D.L. is dead, I'm sure. Matt divorces his pregnant wife off camera. Nathan breaks up with his wife off camera, too. They already killed off Simone, so Peter's available.

We are left with potential romantic subplots, less baggage to have to explain away and a smaller recurring cast. Nice, neat, tidy with a bow. For family, we are left with the Bennetts and the continuing soap opera of the Petrelli clan. Micah is split off from Nikki so we can deal with the remainder in a more manageable form.

 

[Fast Learner]

I have no doubt that there will be a number of flashback episodes filling in the 4 months of time. Matts divorce, for example, might then be much better explained, and that otherwise felt REALLY abrupt. Heck, his wife is/was pregnant, right? That is a non-trivial fact ahm a-thinkin. Matt is taking care of Molly. Did that begin before or after the divorce? Was Molly a factor there, perhaps with Matt insisting on adoption while they had their own baby on the way? WAS she formally adopted by the Parkmans, or were they appointed legal guardians or what?

Parkman's wife was pregnant with another man's baby, the cop she was having the affair with. It's very understandable that he didn't want to help raise it, and could easily have read his wife's thoughts to determine whether she really still wanted to be with him or if she was still attached to the cop she was having the affair with. A divorce makes perfects sense, and I think all of this will be assumed, not rehashed in the show.

And lastly we have no connection whatever yet from the brother and sister fugitives to anyone else. They're simply trying to reach New York to talk to Mohinder (or more accurately to his father who wrote the book). It IS that same book he wrote isn't it? I didn't get a good look at it to see. Insufficient data for meaningful speculation.

Yes, it was the same book, but in Spanish.

 

[Remus Lupin]

Parkman's wife was pregnant with another man's baby, the cop she was having the affair with.

Whoa there, cowboy! Is that confirmed? We knew about the affair, and his wife knew about the mind-reading, so i have trouble believing she would have kept that knowledge from him but his depression and abandonment of her seemed to have to do with losing his job and seeking revenge on HRG than with her infidelity, for which he seems to have forgiven her.

My theory, she dumped him: He was out of work, desperate, had disappeared on her several times, had stolen diamonds. He was coming unglued, and she didn't want to stick around and watch the disaster that was about to become his life.

One would think stopping Sylar might have given him a door back into her life, particularly being wounded, but by then the damage may have been done.

By the way, shouldn't his rotten reputation in L.A. have been a red flag for the NYPD?

 

[Relique du Madde]

By the way, shouldn't his rotten reputation in L.A. have been a red flag for the NYPD?

Only if the NYPD decided to do a background check

 

[LightPhoenix]

Whoa there, cowboy! Is that confirmed? We knew about the affair, and his wife knew about the mind-reading, so i have trouble believing she would have kept that knowledge from him but his depression and abandonment of her seemed to have to do with losing his job and seeking revenge on HRG than with her infidelity, for which he seems to have forgiven her.

In no way confirmed. In fact, Five Years Gone implies that it's Matt's son, and loosely implies that he has a power, since Bennett (now shepherding heroes) knows about him.

 

[Fast Learner]

Whoa there, cowboy! Is that confirmed?

Strongly implied. They haven't been getting along for many months, she's been sleeping with another guy. Could work out some other way, but I doubt it.

 

[Shayuri]

I got the impression during Nathans mirror scene that he has a "evil twin" (his brother) just like Nikki with Jessica. (I am not sure if it is really "evil")

My theory why this happened:
Nikki's Jessica was not Nikkis power, but Jessicas. When she died, she could somehow "possess" her sister (for the lack of a better word). The power might not transfer the full person, only its negative side...
When Peter absorbed Nikkis Strength, he also absorbed Jessicas "posessioning" power.
When Peter exploded, he died - until Claires Regeneration power sprung in. But this short moment was enough to trigger Jessicas power, and transfering his mind into Nathans.

Well, too complicated? Maybe. But since just one single episode got me to think so much about it, I guess that's a good thing (and a good show ).

Eee! That was my idea too! And further, that Peter's MIND is in the mirror...and that's why his body, despite having regenerated, has none of his memories.