Heroes Season [Volume] 2 (#33)---11/26/07-'Truth & Consequences'

[Mistwell]

I'm not sure how tha laws are where ever they were, but in California there is a laws that prohibit a cop from asking for a person's immigration status when they answer a call. These laws vary from city to city and county to county but they exist as part of the "pro-illegal immigrant" propaganda that has been popping up everywhere.

It's not exactly a law, though it's effectively one since it's an internal police regulation they put on themselves. And it doesn't prohibit asking, but it does prohibit stopping people just to ask, or arresting because of, immigration status. "Special Order 40" says "Officers shall not initiate police action with the objective of discovering the alien status of a person. Officers shall not arrest nor book persons for violation of title 8, section 1325 of the United States Immigration code (Illegal Entry)."

-Lawyerly Misty

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Unfortunately I don't buy Matt leaving Moilly alone without supervision for one simple fact: HES A COP. What cop would abandon a 9 year old girl IN NYC without a guardian to watch over her? Especially considering that he was weary of the fact that Company people has been visiting the apartment for the last several weeks.

IIRC, Sylar said to Mohinder that he convinced the babysitter to take the day off. I have no idea _how_ he did it, but I am pretty certain that does mean she was not left alone.

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I liked this episode, and I am fine with a few of the characters mistakes. They don't know as much as we do. Adam had nearly 4 months to work with and manipulate Peter. Adam lived 400 years, and he was a kind of con-man already when he was still knows as Kensei. (He talked people into posing as him and they got shot for it!). And Peters control about his ability is very "reactive" - he rarely seems to be able to plan when or how to use his powers, he just does. If he were interrogating Adam (or later, Hiro), the situation might have been "natural" for him to mind-probe, but he just wasn't.

The only issue I have is with Adams regeneration power - how hard is he to kill? How much of what he can say about his limits is true? Maybe there was a time where he could have been killed with a destroyed head. For Peter, it might even forever be true, since he doesn't have the "real" power, just his empathic copy of the power. But maybe it's not true for him?
I hope this gets answered eventually.

Oh, and I liked the "conclusion" of our Snooze Brothers. Sylar and Maya getting together, her brother getting killed. I am really not sure if Sylars best scene was teaching Maya to control her power (talk about risky) or the way he talked about his mother, or the way he hid the brother's dead body from Maya (It's not the first time that Sylar has a corpse lying around in the next room while others speak with him...)
Only think I don't get is why Sylar ever got a watch-maker - with his manipulative abilities, he should have been at least a cars-dealer or a politician (his morals wouldn't have hurt either, I guess).

I think Mohinder is still not really getting the Company's danger (evilness), but he is certainly getting its potential - and he is trying to take the initiative. (Rescuing HRG, destroying the virus).

Bob is also a fascinating character - how he talked to Elle about her having to regain his trust. He has a way to get to people, though I see the possiblity that he is mkaing an error now, since Elle learned from HRG about the (alleged) reasons for her mental state...

 

[fba827]

A couple quick thoughts...

I'm not saying people didn't at stupid (everyone has a wis modifer -5 or something) but ...

1) Molly wasn't home alone -- Sylar specifically said he 'convinced' the babysitter to leave. Why would matt have taken Molly with him if he just finished convincing her to not help him find victoria and instead "go to school tomorrow like a normal girl."

2) As for Adam saying that the company couldn't kill him, honestly, when I first saw that scene weeks ago, I did not take it to mean that they didn't have the physical capability... but rather, the way he said it, I took it to mean that they couldn't kill him based on either an ethical reason OR that they wanted to keep him around for some other purpose (like testing on his blood). So toss those two possibilities in with "adam may have been lying" as options for what that statement from a few episodes ago really meant.

3) Was Elle really parked in the same parking lot as the Bennets? I thought Claire just happened to notice that direction when she was hugging west at that's why she went there.... but even if it was the same parking lot, I agree, Elle (El?) doesn't have the common sense to NOT park in the same lot.

Again, I'm not saying people weren't stupid.. plenty of stupid pills mixed in with the drinking water ...

I placate myself by saying that they only appeared stupid because we have the third-party audience perspective... but if you accept the fact that each person acting stupid has an accepted belief that they think is "true from their perspective" the rest really falls in to place... i.e. Peter believes that Adam is the only one that can stop the virus (and therefore help Kaitlyn in that future), just like saving the world from the explosion he is driven and unrelenting on that path.. and so on with the others like Maya and Mohinder. (again, this is just how i allow myself to come to terms with what I view as stupid actions )

 

[Darkwolf71]

I'm not sure how tha laws are where ever they were, but in California there is a laws that prohibit a cop from asking for a person's immigration status when they answer a call. These laws vary crom city to city and county to county but they exist as part of the "pro-illegal immigrant" propaganda that has been popping up everywhere.

I believe they were in Virgina. I'm not sure what they're laws are regarding the subject. It seems you do not either. So, WHY do you make the assumption that Alejandro would?

Also, Alejandro could have easily made a call from an undisclosed location or asked someone else to make it for him (which is a possibility considering HE DID A WEB SEARCH ON SYLAR and he could have easily sent an anonymous tip to the FBI or the local police)

I'm not saying he could not have done so, I'm saying it's not hard to believe that he didn't.

 

[Taelorn76]

Unfortunately I don't buy Matt leaving Moilly alone without supervision for one simple fact: HES A COP. What cop would abandon a 9 year old girl IN NYC without a guardian to watch over her? Especially considering that he was weary of the fact that Company people has been visiting the apartment for the last several weeks.


That of course is overlooking the fact that Foster Services would make sure that someone was there to watch Molly and would take her away the first moment that they call and discover that Mr. Parkman is missing and Mr. Surresh is also unaccounted for.

He left her with a sitter. Remember Sylar said he convinced the sitter to go home and leave Molly with him.

 

[Taelorn76]

Yes, but he's just guessing. (And wrong, as well.)

How do you know he was guessing.

Someone else here said that HRG head was blown away and the blood still healed him. But remember that last season Claire didn't come back until the stick was removed from her brain. I say the blood is a side effect of their healing powers, Linderman healed by touch. His brain was scrambled by DL and he could not come back from that. Blow the healers head off and they are done.

 

[Steel_Wind]

How do you know he was guessing.

Someone else here said that HRG head was blown away and the blood still healed him. But remember that last season Claire didn't come back until the stick was removed from her brain. I say the blood is a side effect of their healing powers, Linderman healed by touch. His brain was scrambled by DL and he could not come back from that. Blow the healers head off and they are done.

No. I don't believe this will work - and I don't believe even Adam thinks it will work.

The only conclusive evidence we have seen on the show is what Peter already should know: to stop super healing, you must insert a large physical object into the brain and **keep the obstruction there**.

That is what the viewer knows killed Claire - although Claire does not know that.

The glass shard is also what "killed" Peter - and what Peter definitely ought to know. However, Peter misinterpreted this phenomenon before - and advised Claire to shoot him in the head in order to kill him.

In effect, Adam lied to Peter in a way that Peter already had mistakenly accepted was true.

 

[Vocenoctum]

They don't know as much as we do.

Thank you, I can't believe it took until page 2 for that.

Adam had nearly 4 months to work with and manipulate Peter. Adam lived 400 years, and he was a kind of con-man already when he was still knows as Kensei. (He talked people into posing as him and they got shot for it!). And Peters control about his ability is very "reactive" - he rarely seems to be able to plan when or how to use his powers, he just does. If he were interrogating Adam (or later, Hiro), the situation might have been "natural" for him to mind-probe, but he just wasn't.

Didn't she tell Peter Primatech the first time, then lie to Adam? Peter probes her, knows there's a problem, and yet doesn't investigate. At the same time, he was locked up for being dangerous, and accepts that Adam's being locked up is somehow all just a personal vendetta. Neither of them has ever been to Primatech in Odessa, since Adam didn't know it existed, but Adam DOES know which floor the secret base is located.

The only issue I have is with Adams regeneration power - how hard is he to kill?

Plot Device, sorry. It will do what it needs for the plot, without much definition. In addition, NORMAL people aren't consistent in death. Sylar's recovery, DL's recovery...

 

[Steel_Wind]

Edit: Oh yeah, and can anyone give me one single solitary reason that the company wouldn't destroy a virus who's only use is to wipe out the Human race, including themselves?

Because "The Company" is not monolithic. There were two factions within it: those who were pro-Adam and those who were pro-Kaito.

Victoria Pratt tells us that there are others in the Company who aided Adam in disclosing to him the location of the 138 strain - information which had been hidden from Adam.

In a way, it is plausible to see how Heroes could come to such a conclusion like .07% and the 93% death rate that Linderman and Adam, respectively, looked to as their "Save the World" plans. The power makes you different and with this alienation you come to view yourself as something OTHER than being simply human. The god complex is real and is worse when you associate with others of your kind. In short - this OTHERNESS - serves to re-define your own "tribe".

From Adam's unique perspective - we are ALL OTHERS to him. It appears that Linderman, for one, shared that perspective.

And whenever that kind of tribalism cuts off the brain's normal empathy - its bad news. When that has reared its ugly head in human history - we are a hop skip and a jump away from Nazi Germany, Yugoslavia and Rwanda. That's the theory in the latest edition of Time magazine, at any rate.

And, it appears, the biological holocaust of Strain 138.

 

[Relique du Madde]

He left her with a sitter. Remember Sylar said he convinced the sitter to go home and leave Molly with him.

I honestly don't believe that he walked in and convinced someone (most likely a company lacky) to let him take over. After all, would you let some random man and lady walk into a house unannounced AND without prior notification from the owner and leave them there with the home owner's child that you were told to babysit? I wouldn't, and I don't even have children, especially considering the risk of child molestation or kidnap. I doubt that the company would take that risk considering that Molly is valuable to them since if something happens to her they loose their control over Mohinder.

Reallistically, speaking, I'm surprised that Mohinder and Matt didn't receive a call about a man calling himself Gabriel Grey coming over and asking if its alright to leave Molly with him. Since that didnt happen I'm assuming that Sylar and Maya actually killed the sitter (which is more believable).