History: OD&D to AD&D 1st edition

Psionics OD&D to AD&D

In this vein of OD&D and AD&D and balance: I was flipping through the OD&D books over the holidays, and noticed something for the first time: Eldritch Wizardry introduced psionics, with a structure similar to that found later in the AD&D PHB and DMG, but with one significant difference: psionic ability carried a cost. Fighters lost one point of strength for every 4 psionic abilities, magic-users lost spell levels for every psionic ability, etc. If Gary were active on the boards now I'd ask him why he dropped the cost, why not keep some type of check on the added powers? Since psionics were pure upside for PC's in AD&D, and only even remotely likely for PC's with extremely high ability scores, in our old AD&D games any proposed character with psionics got laughed out of the room as a blatant attempt at power-gaming (not the term we used at that time -- "greedy jerk" was probably more likely).
 

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BryonD said:
Its funny. I always read these type comments as nothing more than marketing.
I don't think it's entirely marketing. Gary was also saying that gods are an integral part of D&D -- rather than clerics worshipping nothing in particular -- and are to be dealt with a particular way, which the first chapter of Deities & Demigods describes pretty well. Gary had heard lots of horror stories about misuse of gods in D&D at this point.
Prince of Happiness said:
Well the other thing that worked against Deities and Demigods: Didn't have the Greyhawk gods in it.
Since most of them hadn't been conceived at that point.
Maggan said:
3e gets a lot of bad rap for aiming for a balanced set of rules, and I've even read comments that allude to the fact that balance as a goal is a new concept for 3e which was not present in AD&D.
For whatever reason, in their more zealous moments some of the 3E designers tried to sell their particular conception of game balance as the only kind there is. Not to be taken seriously.
 

If they hadn't been invented, then yes, sure, I can see that. But then what about Iuz, Wastri, Pholtus, St. Cuthbert, and more? At least something on those guys would have been...nice.

I'd also have to wonder if clerics of Iuz would have been able to get spells higher than 5th level, as he's only a demigod? Or would "Daddy" have stepped in after that? Who's really in charge of his evil domain up there?
 

Prince of Happiness said:
If they hadn't been invented, then yes, sure, I can see that. But then what about Iuz, Wastri, Pholtus, St. Cuthbert, and more? At least something on those guys would have been...nice.

I'd also have to wonder if clerics of Iuz would have been able to get spells higher than 5th level, as he's only a demigod? Or would "Daddy" have stepped in after that? Who's really in charge of his evil domain up there?
Do you know that the 1983 World of Greyhawk boxed set included D&Dg-style write-ups for all those deities (and more) including both stats for the gods themselves and details on their worshippers? These all originally appeared in a series in Dragon c. 1982 titled (appropriately enough) "Deities & Demigods of the World of Greyhawk." A second series detailing the Suel Pantheon appeared in Dragon c. 1985.
 

T. Foster said:
Do you know that the 1983 World of Greyhawk boxed set included D&Dg-style write-ups for all those deities (and more) including both stats for the gods themselves and details on their worshippers? These all originally appeared in a series in Dragon c. 1982 titled (appropriately enough) "Deities & Demigods of the World of Greyhawk." A second series detailing the Suel Pantheon appeared in Dragon c. 1985.

Indeed I am. I'm just taking a look at DDG, and thinking "Golly, it would have been convenient to have them in DDG, if you were to run (for example) T1," and fit some of these characters' gods in more context...in a projecting-myself-back-to-1980-and-I-was-a-potential-buyer-of-DDG-kind-of-thing.
 



That's cool, I always thought the spell restrictions and spell sources rules were 2E creations. Nice. Just another example of me being too young to play 1E strictly by the RAW.
 



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