Hold Monster - Mental Control?

[Caliber]

Simple question really ... does the "mental control" prevented by such spells as Protection from Evil prevent Hold Monster? Since Hold Monster is listed as Mind-Affecting, it certainly seems reasonable to assume it does. But then that would seem to suggest it protects against ALL Mind-Affecting spells.

Anyone know?

 

[Hypersmurf]

The 3E Main FAQ addressed this.

I don't actually like some of its assumptions (for instance, that geas does not constitute ongoing control), but here you go:

The second function of the protection from evil spell
blocks any attempt to possess the warded creature or to
exercise mental control over the creature. What, exactly,
counts as mental control?
“Mental control” includes all spells of the school of
Enchantment that have the Charm subschool, such as animal
friendship, charm person, and charm monster. It also includes
some Enchantment spells of the Compulsion subschool if those
spells grant the caster ongoing control over the subject; such
spells include dominate person and dominate monster.
Compulsions that merely dictate the subject’s action at the time
the spell takes effect are not blocked. Such spells include
command, hold person, geas/quest, hypnotism, insanity, Otto’s
irresistible dance, random action, suggestion, and zone of
truth.

Would a protection from evil spell block mind-affecting
spells that aren’t from the Enchantment school, such as
cause fear, create undead, gate, hypnotic pattern, mount,
rainbow pattern, sanctuary, and summon monster?
No, see previous question.

-Hyp.

 

[Campbell]

Simple question really ... does the "mental control" prevented by such spells as Protection from Evil prevent Hold Monster? Since Hold Monster is listed as Mind-Affecting, it certainly seems reasonable to assume it does. But then that would seem to suggest it protects against ALL Mind-Affecting spells.

Anyone know?

Since Protection from Evil specifically cites enchantment (compulsion) effects and Hold Person is a member of the enchantment(compulsion) subschool it would seem so, barring a misprint in my PH.

Edit: Initial misreading of the text.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Since Protection from Evil specifically cites enchantment (compulsion) effects and Hold Person is a member of the enchantment(compulsion) subschool it would seem so, barring a misprint in my PH.

It specifically cites enchantment (compulsion) effects that grant the caster ongoing control over the subject.

Hold Monster doesn't grant the caster ongoing control.

... ah, and the geas answer makes sense - the wording has been expanded in the 3.5 spell so that it now agrees with the 3E FAQ

To qualify as 'ongoing control', it would seem to necessitate the ability of the caster to give different instructions throughout the duration of the spell.

Suggestion, Geas, Command, Hold Person, etc are all a single instruction; once this instruction is given, the caster no longer has any special ability to change it.

Dominate Person allows you to give as many commands as you wish for the duration of the spell. Charm Person allows you to exert influence for the duration of the spell.

-Hyp.