Holiday Present - The Elf PHB entry

[Thornir Alekeg]

Regarding the cutting of living trees, if they don't make any changes there, I would just make a slight modification on my own to "They never cut healthy, growing trees." To preserve the health of their forests, they cut down unhealthy or dying trees and harvest the good wood from them for use in various crafts such as bowmaking.

 

[Kunimatyu]

While I'm not an elf fan, most of this is good.

Complaints:
The +1 Perception is terrible -- if an ability like this has to be put in, a once/day ability that allows Initiative rerolls for the elf's allies would be a far better way to go.

The "+2 to reroll" feat -- Clunky and not a good idea; it would make a lot more sense as this:

Benefit: When you use the elven accuracy power, you may keep the higher of your two rolls.

 

[delericho]

Regarding the cutting of living trees, if they don't make any changes there, I would just make a slight modification on my own to "They never cut healthy, growing trees."

Or just drop the word 'never' and go with something less absolute. It's not exactly a huge issue, really.

 

[Storminator]

I never understand this argument. If the rules come out and they are badly explained, what the heck are we supposed to do about it? If there actually is a problem, and people complain about it now, it might get fixed. If we wait to be sure the problem exists, by the time we know the answer it'll be too late to change it.

But they already have hundreds of people reading the rules, in context, and if it's confusing one of them (or all of them...) will pipe up.

Having random people on message boards do the same adds nothing.

PS

 

[Bishmon]

The "+2 to reroll" feat -- Clunky and not a good idea; it would make a lot more sense as this:

Benefit: When you use the elven accuracy power, you may keep the higher of your two rolls.

Wouldn't that essentially have no effect? Say I roll a 5 and miss so I decide to use my elven accuracy to make a reroll. The second roll I roll a 3 and miss again.

With that feat, I'd get to keep my first roll, the 5. But that roll missed, which is why I used my elven accuracy in the first place.

 

[Emirikol]

"Elfth's mature at about the same rate as humans but show few effects of age past adulthood." This makes me happy.

Thank god. The 60 year old infant mental retardation thing always bugged me. I think everybody'd house ruled this before anyways

jh

 

[Novem5er]

Rangers?

I read through this whole thread and I didn't see anyone mention "Rangers".

Forgive me if I skipped over someone.

What I mean is that it seems that Elves are geared toward being rangers. Their three favorite classes are Rangers, Rogues, and Clerics.

Fluff wise, they are all about stalking through the forests. Mechanically wise, they get bonus proficiency of bows, bonus to Nature and Perception checks, and a bonus to Wisdom (which increases those skill checks).

What other choices do we have for an Archery badass right now? Races & Classes indicate that fighters will choose between sword/board and 2H weapons. We know Rogues have used bows in play tests, but have we seen any Archery feats or mention of Archery powers? Somehow, the idea of an Elven Cleric doesn't conjure images of bows & arrows.

The Elf SCREAMS ranger. Yet, as far as we know, Ranger is not included in the first PHB. Doesn't anyone else find this odd? The core concept of what an Elf is (as being presented) is not going to be playable for an entire year?

 

[Merlin the Tuna]

I always wanted to play a huge fat necromancer that had his undead minions do everything for him.

Wheee.

 

[outsider]

The Elf SCREAMS ranger. Yet, as far as we know, Ranger is not included in the first PHB. Doesn't anyone else find this odd? The core concept of what an Elf is (as being presented) is not going to be playable for an entire year?

I haven't really seen anything that indicates that rangers aren't in the PHB. The elf description is one of many things that cements my belief that rangers will be there.

 

[Doug McCrae]

I always wanted to play a huge fat necromancer that had his undead minions do everything for him.