Hordes of the Abyss: Q&A

[BogusMagus]

The third one is Graz'zt and Iggwilv pulled directly off the cover of Dungeon #121. But that doesn't stop it from being an awesome pic!

It's a full page picture too.

BTW, I think there a few other pics from the Dragon/Dungeon magazines, but they are all good ones.

 

[jester47]

Same as BoVD. (as Servitor of Wrath)

I don't know what you mean by "is that only on the cover?"

The pic of Orcus in the art gallery is not the pic that is in the BoVD. Agreed it could be that the pic from the BoVD was not put in the on line art gallery, but the pic in the art gallery is one of the best I have seen aside from the one in ToH.

 

[jester47]

Also, one of the pages in the art gallery has the names off by one.

 

[demiurge1138]

Also, one of the pages in the art gallery has the names off by one.

Yeah, that caught me off guard for a bit. I thought the demon queen of succubi had really let herself go (Malecanthet does not equal manes).

But yeah, amazing art in there. So pretty. In a grotesque and terrifying sort of way.

Demiurge out.

 

[jester47]

Looks like the rules from BoVD. Mostly reprint, with a few additional details.

Thats what I suspected. The thing that made those rules disappointing was that it did not go into enough detail.

I may have to house rule possession. I will have to give the book a good once over before purchase in a few months.

One thing that I did not get about the possession rules is why they did not use a version of the ghost's malevolence (essentially magic jar).

 

[Zarnam]

Ok, sorry, i'm blind and all...

 

[Nightfall]

Bogus,

I think you might need to look at the art again.


But yeah that Pic of Orcus on the Art gallery, A+ folks. I like it. And you know I'm a tough Orcus fan to please. (The fight between Orcus and Demogorgon was a tad...off.) But the one of Orcus himself, wow. Great stuff! Art work makes it all worth while. I was worried. Now I'm not.

 

[Wycen]

That art gallery is killed. Awesome. Can't wait for the book.

But notice page 3, the bottom row has several mistakes, naming the picture one to the left. Actually the first and second rows looks wrong as well, this http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/fc1_gallery/98463.jpg can't be a picture of Orcus. Looks like they forgot the Lilitu or Malcanthet pic and so the descriptions are off.

 

[BogusMagus]

Hey Bogus, does this appendix contain the majority of the lords listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_lord_(Dungeons_&_Dragons) ?

any lords from that wiki list omitted from the FC1 appendix? Any new lords from the FC1 appendix not on that wiki list?

I copy & pasted the following list from the wiki list, so it might be a little hard to read.

I'm just looking at the Appendix for this, so the "not listed" might be mentioned elsewhere.
(Especially the Deities & the destroyed.)

FC1? / Known demon lords
yes / Abraxas: Demon prince. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Adimarchus: Demon prince of madness. Antagonist of the Shackled City Adventure Path modules published in Dungeon. Detailed in Dungeon #116, page 61.
yes / Ahazu: Demon lord. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Ahrimanes: Demon prince. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Aldinach: Female demon lord. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Alrunes: Female demon lord. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Alvarez: Demon lord. Mentioned in Faces of Evil: the Fiends, p60.
yes / Alzrius: Demon lord. Mentioned in Hellbound: The Blood War, "The Dark of the War", p25.
yes / Anarazel: Demon prince. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Ansitif: Demon prince. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Ardat: Female demon lord. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35, revealed to be Demon Queen of Harpies in Dragon #341 "Demonomicon of Iggwilv", page X.
yes / Areex: Demon prince. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
no / Arlgolcheir: Demon lord. Mentioned in Dragon #116 "Rogue Stones and Gemjumping", page 55; said to have been destroyed.
yes / Arzial: Mentioned in Dungeon #13, "The Ruins of Nol-Daer".
yes / Aseroth: Demon prince. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Asima: Demon lord. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Astaroth: Demon prince. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Azael: Demon lord. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Azazel: Demon prince. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Baltazo: Demon lord. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Baphomet: Demon lord. Mentioned in Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth; Monster Manual II (1983), page 36; Dragon #341 "Demonomicon of Iggwilv".
yes / Barbu: Female demon lord. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Bayemon: Demon lord. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Bechard: Demon lord. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Cabiri: Demon lord. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Charun: Demon lord. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Dagon: Demon prince. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Demogorgon: Demon prince. Mentioned in Monster Manual (1977) p16; Wrath of the Immortals boxed set; Monster Mythology, page 88; Book of Vile Darkness, page 125.
no / Doresain, King of Ghouls: Demigod. Libris Mortis p 16
yes / Dwiergus: The Chrysalis Prince, mentioned in Dragon #341 "Demonomicon of Iggwilv".
yes / Eblis: Demon prince. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Eldanoth: Demon lord. Mentioned in Faces of Evil: the Fiends, page 60.
yes / Eltab: Mentioned in Dreams of the Red Wizards; Spellbound; Champions of Ruin, page 130.
no / Ereshkigal: Demon prince. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Fraz-Urb'luu: Demon prince. Mentioned in Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth; Monster Manual II (1983), page 39; Faces of Evil: the Fiends, page 60; Dragon #333 "Demonomicon of Iggwilv", page 21.
yes / Graz'zt: Demon prince. Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth; Monster Manual II (1983), page 39; Book of Vile Darkness, page 130.
yes / Gresil: Demon lord. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35; Living Greyhawk Journal 10; Dragon #294.
yes / Haagenti: Lord of Alchemy. Mentioned in Dragon #337 "Demonomicon of Iggwilv", page 47.
yes / Ilsidahur: Mentioned in Dungeon #10 "The Shrine of Ilsidahur".
yes / Juiblex: Demon lord. Mentioned in Monster Manual (1977), page 17; Monster Mythology, page 67; Book of Vile Darkness, page 134; Dragon #337 "Demonomicon of Iggwilv", page 47.
yes / J'zzalshrak: Female demon lord. Mentioned in Dungeon #64, "Bzallin's Blacksphere", page 29.
new? / Kardum
yes / Kerzit: Demon lord. Mentioned in Mordenkainen's Fantastic Adventure; Dungeon #112, pages 13, 52, 96.
yes / Kostchtchie: Demon lord. Mentioned in Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth; Monster Manual II (1983), page 40; Monster Mythology, page 82.
yes / Lamashtu: Demon Queen of Monstrous Births and Deformity. Mentioned in Dragon #329 "Demonomicon of Iggwilv", page 67.
yes / Laraie: Demon lord. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Lazbral'thull: Demon lord of torture and bloodletting. (Dungeon #122: Root of Evil).
no / Lindyrm: Mentioned in The Deva Spark.
yes / Lissa'aere: Female demon lord. Mentioned in Hellbound: The Blood War, page 25.
yes / Lolth: Demon queen of spiders. First debut in module D3: Vault of the Drow and more prominently, in Q1: Queen of the Demonweb Pits. Went on to appear in many other supplements such as first edition Fiend Folio and Deities and Demigods (all three editions).
yes / Lupercio: Demon lord. Mentioned in Faces of Evil: the Fiends, page 60.
yes / Lynkhab: Female demon lord. Faces of Evil: the Fiends, page 61.
no / Maelfesh: featured in Rose Estes' Greyhawk novels.
no / Malcanthet: The mother of succubi. Mentioned in Dungeon #112, page 48, and #124, page 95.
yes / Malgarius: A demonic plant that once controlled a layer of the Abyss, but which was defeated by the demon lord Lazbral'thull. (Dungeon #122: Root of Evil).
no / Malgoth, The: A "terrible entity" that ruled over several layers of the Abyss eons ago. Defeated by a consortium of seven demon lords, who led a fantastic assault on his haunted realm. The victorious demons scattered the Malgoth's essence across the Abyss, only to be deposed and ultimately destroyed by underlings on their home layers. (Dungeon #117: Touch of the Abyss).
yes / Mastiphal: Demon prince. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
no / Miska the Wolf-Spider: Demon prince. Mentioned in Dungeon #124, page 17. Detailed in 2e adventure Rod of Seven Parts.
yes / Munkir: Demon lord. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Nekir: Demon lord. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
no / Nergel: Demon lord. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Nocticula: Demon princess. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
no / Nql: mentioned in Eldritch Wizardry, in the "Codex of the Infinite Planes" entry.
yes / Obox-ob: Demon prince. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Orcus: Demon prince. Mentioned in Eldritch Wizardry; Monster Manual (1977), page 17; Dead Gods; Dungeon #89; Book of Vile Darkness, page 136. Was the prominent villain of the Bloodstone series.
yes / Pale Night: Female demon lord, mother of Grazzt, Lupercio, and Vucarik. Consort of Baphomet. Mentioned in Faces of Evil: the Fiends, page 61; Dragon #341 "Demonomicon of Iggwilv"; Manual of the Planes (3rd edition), page 100.
yes / Pazuzu: Demon prince. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 41; Dragon #329 "Demonomicon of Iggwilv", page 56; Book of Vile Darkness web enhancement.
yes / Rhyxali: Demon princess. Mentioned in Book of Vile Darkness web enhancement.
yes / Sch'theraqpasstt: Mentioned in Dragon #151
yes / Sess'innek: Demon lord. Mentioned in Monster Mythology, page 102; Serpent Kingdoms.
yes / Shaktari: Marilith demon lord. Mentioned in Dungeon #60, "Nemesis", page 32.
yes / Shami-Amourae: Queen of succubi. Mentioned in Dungeon #5, "The Stolen Power", page 27.
yes / Siragle: Mentioned in Dungeon #28, "Sleepless".
yes / Socothbenoth: Demon prince. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35; mentioned in Dragon #333,"Demonomicon of Iggwilv", page 29.
yes / Soneillon: Female demon lord. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35.
yes / Tharzax: Patron of poisonous things that creep and crawl. (Dungeon #123: Salvage Operation).
yes / Thralhavoc: Demon lord. Mentioned in Hellbound: The Blood War, "War Games", page 56.
yes / Turaglas the Ebon Maw: Mentioned in Dragon #312.
yes / Ugudenk: Lord of Worms and Hungry Parasites. Mentioned in Dragon #333 "Demonomicon of Iggwilv", page 39.
yes / Verin: Demon lord. Mentioned in Monster Manual II (1983), page 35; Faces of Evil: the Fiends, page 62.
yes / Volisupula: Mentioned in Planes of Chaos, in the "Chaos Adventures" booklet.
yes / Vucarik: Demon lord. Mentioned in Hellbound: The Blood War, page 26.
no / Xazivort: Mentioned in From the Ashes.
yes / Yeenoghu: Demon prince. Mentioned in Monster Manual (1977), page 19; Monster Mythology, page 83; Book of Vile Darkness, page 140.
yes / Yibyiru: Female demon lord; Rancid Lady of Bitter Bile. Mentioned in Dragon #337 "Demonomicon of Iggwilv", page 48.
no / Zanassu: Mentioned in Empires of the Sands, reported dead in Demihuman Deities.
yes / Zuggtmoy: Demoness Lady of Fungi. Mentioned in Temple of Elemental Evil; Dragon #337 "Demonomicon of Iggwilv", page 37.
yes / Zzyczesiya: Demon lord. Mentioned in Faces of Evil: the Fiends, page 60.

 

[Nightfall]

That art gallery is killed. Awesome. Can't wait for the book.

But notice page 3, the bottom row has several mistakes, naming the picture one to the left. Actually the first and second rows looks wrong as well, this http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/fc1_gallery/98463.jpg can't be a picture of Orcus. Looks like they forgot the Lilitu or Malcanthet pic and so the descriptions are off.

I think that's Pale Night, not Liltu or Malcanthet.

In any case, you are right Wycen, the Art for this book KILLS.