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Hordes of the Abyss: Q&A

BogusMagus said:
I really like the Appendix 1&2.

i have the distinct feeling that i will, too! :)

BogusMagus said:
The actual Appendix lists the Rulers of each layers.
For the list below, I have cut & pasted form the original thread, and have not checked/noted the Rulers, just the names of the Layers (except 359.).

thanks again; you are an awesome dude. :)

BogusMagus said:
yes / LAYER 13: BLOOD TOR (Beshaba and Umberlee's realms; F&A)
yes / LAYER 142: LIFEBANE (Chemosh's Realm, OHG)
yes / LAYER 223: RARANDRETH (OFFALMOUND) (Moander's realm; now Lolth's realm; F&A; OHG; DD)
yes / LAYER 300: FENG-TU (Tou Mu and Lu Yueh's realm; 1e Manual of the Planes)
yes LAYER 333: THE BROKEN SCALE (Hiddukel's realm; OHG)

i'm very surprised - in a good way - that these layers (and less surprised for some others) were kept. :) Erik really did work hard to keep as many canon references in this book as possible! :)


repeating some questions i asked earlier in the thread (not sure if they were answered already):

there is a 'master' list of demons that have appeared in varous products, including the abyssal drake of the draconomicon. how long is this list? like as in, percentage of a page? it's in the appendix i'm assuming? that's one of the cool things that the folks around here helped contribute to. :)


i'm assuming that the broodswarm, dybbuk, ekolid, guecubu, lilitu, and sibriex are new?


does the book have stats for any non-demon monsters? does the index of all printed demons have info on all Abyssal inhabitants, or just demons?
 

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Wow...thanks for making the effort to compile that list, BogusMagus! :cool:

Another layer that missed the cut (probably since it didn't exist at the time of publication ;) ) is layer 518, which is mentioned in Dragon #344:

"Those who visit the 518th layer of the Abyss--the nesting grounds, say the sages, of chole dragons--share a singular trait upon their return: madness. In the infinite variables of their insane ramblings they all cry out with untellable dread the word "Melantholep" in their most fevered dreams. Whether the name of some unknown demon prince or the given title of the layer, none but the chole dragons can say. And none of them speak."

I figured I'd mention it for those of you who are keeping track of these things. ;)
 



BogusMagus said:
I really like the Appendix 1&2.

The actual Appendix lists the Rulers of each layers.
For the list below, I have cut & pasted form the original thread, and have not checked/noted the Rulers, just the names of the Layers (except 359.).

FC1Appendix2 / Demonic Lore Thread (red: new or changed)

yes / LAYER 1: PLAIN OF INFINITE PORTALS/Pazunia
yes / LAYER 2: DRILLER'S HIVES
yes / LAYER 3: FORGOTTEN LAND
yes / LAYER 4: GRAND ABYSS
yes / LAYER 5: WORMBLOOD
yes / LAYER 6: REALM OF A MILLION EYES (THE GREAT MOTHER'S REALM)
yes / LAYER 7: PHANTOM PLANE (KEARACKININ; SESS'INEK'S REALM)
yes / LAYER 8: "SKIN-SHEDDER" (I)
yes / LAYER 9: BURNINGWATER (I)
yes / LAYER 10: "THAT HELLHOLE" (I)
yes / LAYER 11: MOLRAT (I)
yes / LAYER 12: TWELVETREES
yes / LAYER 13: BLOOD TOR (Beshaba and Umberlee's realms; F&A)
moved from 657 -> 14 : The Steaming Fen
new 17 : Death's Reward
new 21 : The Sixth Pyre

yes / LAYER 23: IRON WASTES (Kostchtchie's realm)
yes / LAYER 27: MALIGNEBULA (Lissa'aere the Noxious' realm; Hellbound)
new 32 : Sholo-Tovoth: The Fields of Consumption
yes / LAYERS 45, 46 AND 47: AZZAGRAT (TRIPLE REALM) (Graz'zt's realm; For Duty and Deity)
moved from 561 -> 49 : Shaddonon
new 52 : Vorganund
yes / LAYER 57: TORTUROUS TRUTH (Duke Alvarez's realm; FoE)
no / LAYER 65: LOLTH'S WEB (Lolth's realm, formerally Zanassu's realm; implied in Demihuman Deities)
yes / LAYER 66: THE DEMONWEB PITS (Lolth's, Selvetarm's, and Keptolo's realm)
yes / LAYER 67: HEAVING HILLS (Hezrou realm)
yes / LAYER 68: The Swallowed Void <-UNNAMED (Void) (I)
yes / LAYER 69: THE CRUSHING PLAIN (I)
yes / LAYER 70: THE ICE FLOE (I)
yes / LAYER 71: SPIRAC
yes / LAYER 72: "DARKLIGHT" (I)
yes / LAYER 73: THE WELLS OF DARKNESS (I)
yes / LAYER 74: SMARAGD (Merrshaulk and Ramenos' realms)
Re: The Viper Pit (Sseth's realm; P&P)
Si: The Silent Temple (Planar Handbook)
new 77 : The Gates of Heaven
new 79 : The Emessu Tunnels

yes / LAYER 88: THE GAPING MAW (BRINE FLATS) (Demogorgon's realm)
new 89 : The Shadowsea
new 90 : The Guttering Grove
new 92 : Ulgurshek

yes / LAYER 111: THE MIND OF EVIL (Realm of Sch’theraqpasstt; Dragon #151)
yes / LAYER 113: THANATOS (THE BELLY OF DEATH)
yes / LAYER 128: THE SLUGBED (Lupercio's realm; FoE)
new 137 : Outcasts' End
yes / LAYER 142: LIFEBANE (Chemosh's Realm, OHG)
yes / LAYER 148: TORRENT (Planar Handbook Web Enhancement)
yes / LAYER 176: HOLLOW'S HEART (Fraz-Urbluu's new realm; FoE)
new 177 : The Writhing Realm
yes / LAYER 181: ROTTING PLAIN (Laogzed's realm)
yes / LAYER 193: VULGAREA (Eshebala's realm; OHG)
yes / LAYER 222: SHEDAKLAH (THE SLIME PITS) (I) (Jubilex's and Zuggtmoy's realms)
yes / LAYER 223: RARANDRETH (OFFALMOUND) (Moander's realm; now Lolth's realm; F&A; OHG; DD)
new 230 : The Dreaming Gulf
yes / LAYER 241: PALPITATIA (Grankhul's and Skiggaret's realms; OHG)
yes / LAYER 245: The Scalding Sea <- OCEAN OF SCREAMS (Planar Handbook)
yes / LAYER 248: THE HIDDEN LAYER (Eltab's domain; Champions of Ruin)
yes / LAYER 274: DURAO (gateway layer)
yes / LAYER 297: THE SIGHING CLIFFS (Lynkhab's realm; FoE)
yes / LAYER 300: FENG-TU (Tou Mu and Lu Yueh's realm; 1e Manual of the Planes)
yes / LAYER 303: SULFANORUM
yes / LAYER 313: Gorrion's Grasp <-UNNAMED
Si: Illssender's Tower (Hellbound)
yes LAYER 333: THE BROKEN SCALE (Hiddukel's realm; OHG)
moved to 359 <- LAYER 334: UNNAMED (Eldanoth's realm; Faces of Evil)
yes / LAYER 340: The Black Blizzard <- UNNAMED (A cold, desolate, voidlike place; Faction War)
new 348 : Indifference
moved from 334 -> 359 : The Arc of Eternity

yes / LAYER 377: PLAINS OF GALLENSHU (armanite realm)
yes / LAYER 399: WORM REALM (Urdlen's realm)
yes / LAYER 400: WOEFUL ESCARAND (nalfeshnee realm)
yes / LAYER 403: THE RAINLESS WASTE
IT: Mal Arundak, the City of Confusion (Fallen archon realm; FoE)
yes / LAYER 421: The White Kingdom <-SALTED WOUND (Realm of Doresain, the King of the Ghouls, vassal of Yeenoghu; Libris Mortis, name from the Mimir)
yes / LAYER 422: Yeenoghu's Realm <-THE SEEPING WOODS (Yeenoghu's realm)
new 423 : Galun-Khur
new 452 : Ahriman-abad
new 471 : Androlynne

yes / LAYER 487: LAIR OF THE BEAST AND MANSION OF THE RAKE (Kanchelsis' realm; OHG)
yes / LAYER 489: NOISOME VALE (Tarnhem's realm; deserted; Dungeon Builder's Guidebook)
yes / LAYER 493: SLEEPLESS (Siragle's realm; Dungeon #28)
yes / LAYER 499: CARRORISTO (Hellbound)
yes / LAYER 503: TORREMOR (LAYER OF FLIES) (Pazrael's realm)
yes / LAYER 507: OCCIPITUS (Shackled City)
yes / LAYER 524: SHATTERSTONE (Vaprak's realm, OHG)
yes / LAYER 531: VUDRA (Marilith realm, Dungeon #60)
new 558 : Fleshforges
moved to 49 <-
LAYER 561: SHADDONON (Layer of Rhyxali, Princess of Shadow; Book of Vile Darkness web enhancement)
yes / LAYER 566: SOULFREEZE (The Inner Planes Sourcebook)
new* 570 : Shendilavri
yes / LAYER 586: PRISON OF THE MAD GOD (Diinkarazan's realm)
new 597 : Goranthis
yes / LAYER 600: ENDLESS MAZE (Baphomet's and Pale Night's realm, OHG, FoE)
yes / LAYER 601: CONFLAGRATUM (Alzrius' realm, Hellbound)
new 628 : Vallashan
yes / LAYER 643: CAVERNS OF THE SKULL (I) (Kali's realm)
new 651 : Nethuria
moved from 672 -> 652 : The Rift of Corrosion
moved to 14 <- LAYER 657: THE STEAMING FEN (Rod of Seven Parts)
new 663 : Zionyn
no / LAYER 666: OPEN MAW (The Blood Wars trilogy; name by William Northern)
moved to 652 <- LAYER 672: RIFT OF CORROSION (3e DMG; Monte Cook)

* missing from the Appendix.

Hmm quite a few of those are going to be empty in the FR abyss.......

*Wonders how much of Hordes of the Abyss will be invalid in the Realms cosmology
 

dargoth3 said:
*Wonders how much of Hordes of the Abyss will be invalid in the Realms cosmology

Does anyone actually use the Realms cosmology? If you decide to limit your campaign like that, you only have yourself (or your DM) to blame.
 

Ripzerai said:
Does anyone actually use the Realms cosmology? If you decide to limit your campaign like that, you only have yourself (or your DM) to blame.

So basicly your saying Hordes of the Abyss is a strictly Great wheel only book? Fair enough I wont bother getting it then
 

dargoth3 said:
So basicly your saying Hordes of the Abyss is a strictly Great wheel only book? Fair enough I wont bother getting it then

Well, I don't have it, so don't take my word for it. I'm just saying that if you're such a purist that you think the Forgotten Realms setting needs a multiverse all to itself, then you're deliberately (and unnecessarily) limiting your game.

I'm sure most of it will be useful even in purist games.
 

Yeah, I don't use Realms cosmology at all. It was only a reason for WotC to bluntly state "We're absolutely never bringing back Planescape no matter how cool it was" sort of thing.
 

BOZ said:
repeating some questions i asked earlier in the thread (not sure if they were answered already):

there is a 'master' list of demons that have appeared in varous products, including the abyssal drake of the draconomicon. how long is this list? like as in, percentage of a page? it's in the appendix i'm assuming? that's one of the cool things that the folks around here helped contribute to. :)


i'm assuming that the broodswarm, dybbuk, ekolid, guecubu, lilitu, and sibriex are new?


does the book have stats for any non-demon monsters? does the index of all printed demons have info on all Abyssal inhabitants, or just demons?

1. The list is about a column or so all told. There's a few listed in it, and in the CR list, I don't recognize. Could be from MMIV, or cut from this book, or even just from Dragon. The nashrou and the deathdrinker, specifically. It's not Abyssal residents in general, though - no mention of, say, abrians and varragoins.

2. The broodswarm, dybbuk, ekolid, guecubu, lilitu and sibriex are all new.

Broodswarm: Not really a demon, but instead a swarm of little CE implings formed from the flesh of a night hag. They swarm over victims for their hag master, sew their eyes, mouth and ears shut (as well as thoroughly catching them in string) and turn them over to the hag for debauchery.

Dybbuk: One of the loumaras, borne of the fragmented dreams of dead gods. They're incorporeal jellyfish that possess corpses and spread death in their wake while integrating themselves into mortal society.

Ekolid: An obyrith, ekolids are monstrously fecund Abyssal vermin, laying eggs in their hosts with six sharpened ovipositors that rapidly hatch into flesh-eating grubs. They have quickness like a choker, but limited to move actions only.

Guecubu: The other loumara, these wisps of thought possess people and murder their families telekinetically. An interesting way to model traditional poltergeists, but kind of boring otherwise.

Lilitu: Created of a succubus who incinerates herself and an entire cult in an orgy of flame, lilitu excel at robbing the gods of both power (casting as clerics) and followers, seducing and manipulating priests of good gods above all others.

Sibriex: My personal favorite of the new monsters, the sibriex is a massive lump of floating flesh, so hideous that its very visage is enough to break the mind, making those who succumb to its madness see it as ultimate beauty. Sages and fleshweavers, they dominate those that attack them and turn them into flesh-grafted minions. Oh, and they have chains embedded in their flesh, which they telekinetically manipulate to walk and attack (although they don't have a land speed, oddly).

Demiurge out.
 

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