Hordes of the Abyss: Q&A

[glass]

But yeah ToH version Orcus = rules mightly the Abyss!

What's the CR of the ToH version?


glass.

 

[Nightfall]

Pretty sure he's a CR 36. I know he casts spells as both a 35th level sorcerer AND a 35th level cleric.

That's on top of everything else he gets.

 

[Rystil Arden]

Pretty sure he's a CR 36. I know he casts spells as both a 35th level sorcerer AND a 35th level cleric.

That's on top of everything else he gets.

I also remember CR 36 and the double casting at CL 35. It's a pretty solid 35, too, unlike many high CR monsters that are actually pushovers to a full party for the XP they give.

 

[Nightfall]

Yeah well with the spell-like abilities, the ability to summon BOTH undead and demons, plus the Wand being a DC 42 (or at least above DC 35), along with the spell casting powers, makes Orcus truly worthy of taking down solars by the group. (Not necessarily a horde but there you are.)

 

[Rystil Arden]

Yeah well with the spell-like abilities, the ability to summon BOTH undead and demons, plus the Wand being a DC 42 (or at least above DC 35), along with the spell casting powers, makes Orcus truly worthy of taking down solars by the group. (Not necessarily a horde but there you are.)

Yup. DC 42 isn't very impressive at that CR though. But it's a nice cherry on top for dealing with "mere mortals"

 

[Nightfall]

Well not at level 35 granted, but dealing with say most CR 20s (below 25 anyway) it's easy to watch them fall to your power. Usually.

 

[Rystil Arden]

Well not at level 35 granted, but dealing with say most CR 20s (below 25 anyway) it's easy to watch them fall to your power. Usually.

Right--hence my comment about 'mere mortals'

 

[Kobold Avenger]

I can see why Ereshkigal and Nergal aren't Demon Lords, because they're actually Sumerian deities...

Ereshkigal being a primal goddess of darkness and the underworld and likely a greater deity, and Nergal likely being and intermediate deity.

In fact the demon lords off that list with a no, are mostly deities and don't apply to being demon lords.

 

[Kobold Avenger]

So is the Lilitu much like a greater version of the Succubus?

 

[Mr.Black]

The artwork is pretty good. I wish there was less Baxa, but the work he contributes is tolerable.

I especially like the references to the non MM3.5 demons in this book. There's a picture of an Arrow demon here, and a half formed Klurichir.

Lots of nice Nalfeshnees in this book, particularly the picture of the three Nalfeshnees together. Baxa also did a decent Glabrezu.

I'm thinking that the most hideous new demons are obyriths: the dybbuk, ekolid, and the siberix. The only one that seems to be a loumara at the moment looks to be the guecubu.

I found the last picture (the one with of the demonic landscape with an orange sun) to be particularly good. It feels lonely and terrible at the same time.