Horrid Wilting

[hazmat]

Frank the DM: Interesting point but the effect of the spell is evaporating moisture. The crux of the debate is whether or not elemental fire is or can be "moist" or a liquid. In either the M:tG way of thinking or the StoryTeller way of thinking the spell fizzles if a fire elemental does not contain moisture.

Just because something can be targeted by a spell does not mean that the spell works on the target.

Patryn of Elvenshae:
Arguing about the state of Fire is silly. Fire is not matter. Fire is a chemical reaction. So it is silly to say that liquid fire can exist. Though, one could say that a liquid can be on fire.

So what is Elemental Fire? Is it some matter in the Plasma state? Is it a solid, liquid or gas that is on fire? Or is it the energy(heat and light) that would be released by a chemical reaction? Or is it the flame (a burning gas or vapor)?

Really it could be any of these things. Though I'd side with it being "energy" as it doesn't need a fuel.

 

[Starman]

This argument is all fine and dandy, but the real question is what happens when Juggernaut, the unstoppable force, meets the Blob, the unmoveable object? What then, huh?

Starman

 

[anon]

To those who believe that the Fire Elemental should be affected, would this creature be affected as well?

Vacuum
Medium Elemental
Hit Dice: 4d8 (26 hp)
Initiative: +5
Speed: Fly 60 ft (perfect)
Armor Class: 15
Base Attack/Grapple: +3/+7
Attack: Slam +8 melee
Full Attack: +8 melee
Space/Reach: 5ft/5ft
Special Attacks: Air Mastery, Suffocate
Special Qualities: elemental traits
Saves: Fort +3, Ref +9, Will +1
Abilities: Str 1, Dex 20, Con 14, Int 4, Wis 11, Chr 11
Skills: blah blah
Feats: Flyby Attack, Improved Grapple, Weapon Finesse

Vacuum's are comprised of nothing. They are the absense of all matter.

Suffocate (Ex): When engaged in a grapple vacuums have the ability to suck all of the air from around and within a creature. A grappled creature must immediately start to make DC 10 Constitution checks (DC increases by +1 each round) or fall unconscious. After which the normal rules for suffocation apply (see pg 304 DMG).

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Patryn of Elvenshae:
Arguing about the state of Fire is silly. Fire is not matter. Fire is a chemical reaction. So it is silly to say that liquid fire can exist. Though, one could say that a liquid can be on fire.

Err, no.

Fire in our world is a particular expression of the release of chemical energy.

Fire in D&D is a fundamental building block of nature. It may be considered roughly analogous to carbon, or oxygen, or hydrogen.

Fire is matter in D&D.

Any arguments based on assumptions to the contrary are based solely in real-world physics, and as such are not applicable to D&D physics.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

To those who believe that the Fire Elemental should be affected, would this creature be affected as well?

No, but only because you're cheating and he's mistyped. He's not an elemental.

Elemental Type: An elemental is a being composed of one of the four classical elements: air, earth, fire, or water.

Vacuum's are comprised of nothing. They are the absense of all matter.

He's probably some weird kind of undead..

You also missed the [Incorporeal] subtype, which gives him a 50% chance to ignore the damage anyway.

 

[ThirdWizard]

To those who believe that the Fire Elemental should be affected, would this creature be affected as well?

You realize the creature you created is harmed by a non-magic sword right? Explain how that's possible if it is composed of nothing.

Heck, explain how it slams opponents, if you really want logic!

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

You realize the creature you created is harmed by a non-magic sword right? Explain how that's possible if it is composed of nothing.

Heck, explain how it slams opponents, if you really want logic!

In other words, Horrid Wilting is a really strange place to draw a line.

 

[dedicated]

Plus, once it sucked air in from a creature it would seize to be composed of nothing, defying it's exisitence.

Good luck trying to use that

 

[ThirdWizard]

In other words, Horrid Wilting is a really strange place to draw a line.

Prezactly.

 

[Shadowdweller]

No, but only because you're cheating and he's mistyped. He's not an elemental.
He's probably some weird kind of undead..

Fire in our world is a particular expression of the release of chemical energy. Fire in D&D is a fundamental building block of nature. It may be considered roughly analogous to carbon, or oxygen, or hydrogen.

So...let me get this straight. You're using 'flavor text' as an argument AGAINST using 'flavor text'?