How cool is reincarnation?

Slife said:
I guess if were reincarnated before coming to adulthood you'd actually age... that could be awkward (oh no! The king's baby is dead and all we have is a druid! Get me a reincarnate, stat! Oh *@#$&, he's an adult half-orc with a baby's soul!)
:eek: That is . . . :confused: I never would have thought of that, but I think you are correct - and the implications and plot hooks are astonishing!

The only problem I see is . . . do babies have normal Int, Wis, Cha? Or should they have penalties to Int and/or Wis? (Somehow, I see them as having a bonus to Cha that lowers as they approach pre-adolescence, sinks below normal for adolescence, then rises back to normal [10] in time for young adulthood . . . but that's just my view. YVMV.
 

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The nifty hook in the spell is that the DM basically has to regenerate a new probability chart for each creature type, say monstrous humanoid or magical beast.

IMC there have been a lot of deaths :] and all but one have come back under reincarnation. There was one case where because of three special factors in the casting of the spell I secretly generated a custom list. The dead human monk came back as a hobgoblin. Hobgoblin monks are ferocious, particularly when they don't come back with a level adjustment!

The others were:
elf->human
gnome->halforc->halfling
dwarf->goblin->gnome
human->orc
 

Used it twice in the ongoing campaign.
Halfling female Rogue -> male Kobold
Human female Fighter -> elf male Fighter

Both players were very unhappy with the outcome. The player with the fighter PC didn't want to play an elf again. The rogue has a suicidal tendency since that event. We all call the kobold the scaly, small, green thing over there.

As a side note: We use the older 3.0 table if available because the options are a little more interesting to the good and the bad.
 

I quite like the 3.5 table, however I think I'd prefer to customise it by diety, with a bonus or penalty depending on how close the dieties of the caster and the reincarnated are.
"You worship a god of death, very well, I'll ressurect you, but you return as a rat."
 

Brother MacLaren said:
It's also good for achieving immortality. Normally, there is no way to cheat age (no more Potions of Longevity), but Reincarnate brings you back in a young adult body -- regardless of the age you had attained before.

I developed a secret cabal of druids around that concept:


The Circle of the Crumbling Tower

The druidic faith as a whole is under retreat. The rulers and merchants of the city-states do their best to divide the receding wilderness among themselves, and any druids who dare to stand in their way are killed as often as not. As a result, most druids feel nothing but hatred for the rich and powerful of modern urban society.
Still, there is something that druids have that is of interest to many of these same rich people: The ability to cast the reincarnate spell. While magic that is capable of bringing back the dead is fairly easily available to anyone who can afford it, these spells are incapable of bringing someone back who died of old age. While the reincarnate spell has to abide by this limit as well, it is capable of reincarnating anyone else into the body of a young adult. Thus it is possible to prolong one's life span almost indefinietly with repeated application of this spell. The fact that one is usually reincarnated as a member of a different species is a small price to pay for those who are desperate to stave off old age.
Unfortunately for such would-be immortals, druids regard such use of this spell as a perversion of nature, and they cannot simply be bribed into casting it, unlike many clerics. It doesn't help that many of the people who ask them for help are the same people who despoil nature as a part of their normal businesses. And most people would rather die than give in to threats that would make them help the enemies of their faith.
But in 1387 NA, a young druid named Garin had an idea. Instead of allowing themselves to be bribed for this spell, he argued, the druids should demand favors for this service. After all, many of these who approached them were some of the most influential people of the region, and their power could easily be used to further the druids' agenda. And if they didn't keep their word, they wouldn't be able to get reincarnated in the future!
Many druids considered his ideas to be blasphemous, but others saw their merit. And so, the Circle of the Crumbling Tower was founded. Its approximately 20 druidic members meet periodically near the Fields of Harrow, but are often abroad to check their city-based "charges" - the merchants, nobles, and other rich and influential people who sold out their freedom in exchange for a stab at immortality. None of the druids really trust these people, but the hold over their lives is powerful - it has become standard practice that anyone who betrays the circle is not only killed, but his body is hidden and his finances ruined so that he is certain to stay dead.
The people who have sold out to the druids are in a precarious situation. They need to remain in the favor of the druids, and that usually means sabotaging the orderly functioning of a city-state in some way - destroying crops, changing building plans to reduce the efficiency of nexus towers, sending bandits to waylay trains, and many other dirty deeds. But often this not only costs them a lot in money and resources, but even hinders their own business efforts. Most druidic handlers are willing to cancel an operation if the risks of discovery seem too great, and they usually will listen to the advice of their charges (after all, they know little of the working of a city), but anyone who constantly makes excuses for not doing anything to further the druidic cause will earn their displeasure. As a result, most charges come up with ideas on their own, and are desperate to please their handlers with reports of progress.
Sometimes, several charges conspire to keep their common druidic handlers ignorant, but these conspiracies are often betrayed from within, as one of their members blows the whistle on them to curry favor with the druids. Thus, most dependants of the circle are extremely paranoid about whom they trust. Those who have already been reincarnated face an additional problem: They have to explain their now different appearance somehow. Most invest in illusion or polymorph magic, and mostly retire from public view so that their true form doesn't become public knowledge. There are now several merchant houses which are now lead by someone reincarnated into the body of a young orc or kobold!
The circle has now about a hundred charges, and new ones are being recruited on a regular basis. The aged Garin, who still leads the circle, worries about the risk of discovery, but for now remains committed to the current path.
 

Jürgen Hubert said:
The aged Garin, who still leads the circle, worries about the risk of discovery, but for now remains committed to the current path.

Why would the leader of this particular cabal ever be "aged"?

Cheers, -- N
 

Reincarnate proved really useful if we needed a half-something with pointy ears with non-green or gray skin.
The Druid in my campaign has used reincarnate at least 4 times.
2 Times on the Hobgoblin Fighter. Each time, he became a Half-Elf. (he had himself wished back in a "christmas" adventure to become hob-goblin again before the second time.)
1 Time on the Human Monk. He became a Half-Elf.
1 Time on the Gnome Wizard. He came back as a Half-Ling. :)

It appears to me as if my campaign lacks Half-Elves, and the neutrality of druids requires them to compensate... :) Maybe I should introduce this idea in my campaign? :)
 

Alzrius said:
I'll do you one better; here it is. This should be okay to put here, as it was freely available for download, and not for sale. The spell is near the end of the file.

Thanks!!!
 

Nifft said:
Why would the leader of this particular cabal ever be "aged"?

Cheers, -- N

Because he is not doing this out of vanity or other desire for "eternal youth". He sees no point in getting himself killed while his old body is still functional. Besides, that lost level does hurt your spellcasting prowess. Sure, sooner or later he is going to be reincarnated, but he hasn't reached that stage yet.
 

Jürgen Hubert said:
Sure, sooner or later he is going to be reincarnated, but he hasn't reached that stage yet.

Ah, gotcha. It seemed like you were painting him as "on the way out", while he should really be unnaturally immortal -- for the sake of Nature, of course. :]

Cheers, -- N
 

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