How hard is a 4E black dragon fight?

Can the level 2 party defeat a level 4 elite black dragon?

  • The party will most likely die

    Votes: 28 42.4%
  • The fight could go either way

    Votes: 20 30.3%
  • The party has a good chance of success

    Votes: 17 25.8%
  • I've never played a D&D 4th Edition game

    Votes: 1 1.5%


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catsclaw227

First Post
At second level, I think they might have a shot -- if at least half the party had their dailies. It could go either way, but without some of those big powers, then it will be tough. What is the breath weapon of the other dragonborn?
 

My limited experience, they'lll lose, although (depending on terrain) they may be able to escape.

Also, a black hatchling is a pretty boring opponent. It has very high defense (eg AC, Defenses against special attacks) but does lame damage, so the fight just lasts a long time. When the PCs do a ridiculous amount of damage to it and realize it isn't even bloodied yet, they would probably flee.

I ran into the same issue with
Kalarel in Keep on the Shadowfell, made worse because the one PC he could keep hitting was resistant to some of his best attacks and he had no recharge powers.
 

Starbuck_II

First Post
dragonborn breath is a encounter, not a daily. This is really important.

My level 1 party, who arent really into powergaming mind you, defeated a level 4 solo at level 1 after going through 6 level 3 encounters without an extended rest. They rolled okay, but not poorly or exceptionally.

Either they are superhuman or this fight should be very doable.

My party of 4 at 2nd level defeated he Kobold Hall Dragon (white Dragon Level 3 Solo). I added a few trap/hazards like rockslides.

The party had a few close calls (always lost a member a few times), but they survived.

6 should make it easier. Granted, White is a brute so AC won't be high, but Black is a Lurker.


Black: AC 22; Fortitude 18, Refl ex 20, Will 17
White: AC 18; Fortitude 20, Reflex 18, Will 17

So Black has higher AC and Ref, but lower Fort (granted higher level).
 

JiffyPopTart

Bree-Yark
If you play the black dragon correctly...

1. Using its stealth so it gets the drop on the party.
2. Using its darkness power so the party really can't hurt it.

...then the party has no chance. None at all.

DS
 

Kishin

First Post
Without their dailies, the outlook is grim. If they make it through alive, I expected at least one casualty, maybe two.
 

Plane Sailing

Astral Admin - Mwahahaha!
The impact of the lack of daily powers depends upon whether they had great daily powers or not :) If they are missing out on Brute Strike, Acid Arrow and Bastion of defence, it isn't much of a loss. If they are missing out on villains menace, lead the attack and flaming sphere then it is a bit of a disaster for them!

It will take them ages to whittle down the dragons hit points, and if the dragon concentrates on taking them down one at a time (and has a bit of luck with its breath recharge) it should take them down without too much difficulty.

Cheers
 

Asmor

First Post
If they were full up on powers, I'd give them a 70% survival chance (maybe even 90% if they're willing to run away when things look bad).

Not sure how much their expended resources are going to hurt them.
 

UngainlyTitan

Legend
Supporter
I ran the Scalegloom hall and the party was lucky to win, in fact all the party was down in the end with the dragon on 7 hp when the ranger rolled a 20 on his death save just as the wizard was dissolving due to the breath weapon.
Even so it was was Pain of Death that really finished off the dragon in combination with Divine challange. That and action points, where the strikers were able to do dailies and encounter power back to back.
That said I ran the dragon badly, first time running D&D 4. Now, I'd run the dragon better and with its hide and darkness it would be much tougher.

If the dragon has places to hide and attack from then the party is hosed otherwise they might shade it but it will be a knockdrag down fight.
 

scarik

First Post
At second level my party of 6 spanked a Young Black Dragon.

Lots of Temp hp + Scorching Burst being impossible to hide from inside the darkness cloud made the fight very easy.

With half the party out of Dailies and AP it might be a bit tougher.

What kind of Bastard DM are you to put a Dragon after a fight that didn't give the ma Milestone? ;)
 

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