How has the 4e/3e schism affected you?

[Razuur]

Crippled prince? How did you do that using 3.5 RAW?

We used 3.0 - we rarely ventured

Young boy? Again, how did the rules of 3e D&D help you there? ?

Commoner for the first few two levels, and then he learned to fight and tranistioned into warrior.

Priest with no powers?

Expert.

But, be that as it may, do you honestly think that the system is set such that you could play commoners without massively rewriting just about every element?

We did not massively rewrite anything. And those extra four NPC classes made it possible to play just about anything you wanted to. And for NPCs to be just about anything you wanted to. It isn't all about the bonuses and stats. We didn't have sets of stats going into battle, my players created people to, the stats just represent them and it is more aboput the experience that maximizing the character.

The entire CR system breaks down instantly there. Which knocks on XP, and a number of other elements.

That CR system was so subjective, and its effectiveness varied based on the GM implementing it. Our encounters were story based, not balance based.

Never mind that 3e combat is incredibly lethal to standard classes, let alone NPC classes. How did you avoid killing PC's constantly?

Because our combats are dramtic story events, not tactical breakdowns. Our world is a magic rare LOTR type world. Combats serve a story purpose, not a grid based play by play exercise. I respect people loving minis/battemaps, but there are people who finds that level of deteail, time consuming, exhausting, and not dramatic story wise

But, besides all that, would you say that choosing an NPC class should be an assumed option in the game? Or should it be a not really supported fringe option?

Because obviously we didn't feel it needed to be regulated to NPC classes. This is what I am talking about 3e being a toolkit for a wide diverse range of gamer, character, and world styles. You can call me "Fringe" if you like, and I will agree that there are probably far more people who agree with your type of play style, but my point is that was what was amazing about 3e - it allowed for diversity. Did it do everything perfect, nope. It made a point of saying it is okay to changing things to play by your style. 3.5 took us a step away from that, but it was close enough that we could still continue. 4e is catered to a specific type of game - and it is yours - so lucky you.

Why is it so hard for people to sympathize with this and look at things from another perspective? You are happy as a clam with it. I accept that, and am happy for you.

Maybe this is just a cultural DnD gap. That you have never seen a 3e game run like mine. Maybe all you have seen is your style.

Either way, in 3.X we both played DnD. Now, only you do.

Razuur

 

[Mallus]

Our world is a magic rare LOTR type world...

Oh, so you didn't play anything remotely resembling standard 3e?

 

[Razuur]

Oh, so you didn't play anything remotely resembling standard 3e?

This will be my last post on this. If the above didn't get you to understand, then nothing will.

I am glad you all like the new edition, and I wish you all a decade of exciting adventures with the new edition!

Take care,

Razuur

 

[Mallus]

If the above didn't get you to understand, then nothing will.

I wasn't criticizing your choices or preferences. Just pointing out that you've been having fun with a nonstandard application of the 3e rules.

 

[Foundry of Decay]

And yet another thread veers away from its original intent and turns into an exercise in edition superiority. :/

 

[Scurvy_Platypus]

To be honest, it's not really had much effect on me.

I'm kind of amused in some respects, because at least some of the 3.x people yelling and screaming were also kinda jerks if you weren't playing 3.x to begin with. All of a sudden they find themselves being left behind.

Then again, some of the 4E folks seem to get awfully aggressive if you suggest you don't happen to like their new pet game. Which I find puzzling, because it's not like it's affecting them. 4E is out and that's just the way it is. It's not like WotC is going to go, "Whoops. Sorry about that guys. Turns out it was all a big mistake. We're going back to 3.5 now." So all the 4E lovers "win" by default.

I avoid certain forums and sections of forums, sure. That's nothing new. I've added some more folks to my ignore list. *shrug*

I haven't seen much of a "community" online at least as I think of it, so I've no idea what kind of "effect" the newest round of the edition wars is having. Folks play games for all kinds of reasons, so when you've got people that are more focused on the game system they're using as opposed to _why_ they're playing, you're bound to have all kinds of small factions of some sort.

At the end of the day, the biggest effect any of this has had is to continue pushing people to factionalize. Back in the day, yeah you had some folks that were 1-system only. But it seemed to me to be more the exception, rather than the rule. Of course, I was 20 years younger then, and could get away with doing 20+ hour games.

Now, it's like politics or something. Everybody line up on this side of the line or the other. If you're not with either of these two, all you other losers stand over in that third pile and sort yourselves out.

I play games for fun and social stuff. If someone wants to make a big deal out of it, that's their problem. I put 'em on my ignore list online, or walk away from 'em in real life. I've got too many other problem to worry about, I don't need to be angsting over a hobby.

 

[Korgoth]

Sure sure, but I bet you keep a copy of the 4.0PHB behind the toilet for that special "alone time".

So you're saying 4E is for tossers?

I wouldn't know. I'm Catholic and I pre-ordered from Amazon.

 

[Olaf the Stout]

In my gaming group there are 2 out of the 6 of us that have played 4e so far. One of them has bought the 4e PHB. However there have been no 4e/3e arguements within the group. We've discussed 4e and some of the features it has but no-one has said that 4e (or 3e) sucks or rules. We'll be sticking with 3.xe for the duration of the current campaign (which I imagine will take us well into next year).

4e has affected me from the perspective that EN World is awash with 4e threads and 3e/4e thread wars. A lot of the threads I used to read on the General Discussion forum has been replaced with 4e threads. This really isn't a big surprise to me. Of course people will want to discuss the latest edition, especially when it was only released in the last month. It has meant that a lot of other discussion topics have been pushed to one side though.

Olaf the Stout

 

[Remathilis]

I have 5 players in my game...

Gung-ho excited about 4e
Newbie who likes 4e more than 3e because its easier for him to understand
Not really enthused, but that's because he liked my old 3.5 game.
Thinks it might be fun, but refuses to call it D&D (he calls it WoW simulator 4e)
Unimpressed, but willing to play it.

So I have three fence sitters and two interested parties. We start next week.

Hope it works.

 

[Sunderstone]

No change for my gaming group, they all have no interest in the new "D&D".

I do however post less here, and visit less frequently now. Mostly because I dont feel like getting flamed (blatant, veiled, or otherwise) by the 4E fans here.
I stay at Paizo and Necro boards now for the most part. Both places seem cozy enough.