How many people subscribe to D&D stuff?

Hussar said:
But, that's the point. That number is pretty much verified. And the number does go down when people's accounts lapse.

I knew if I did a bit of digging, I'd find the post:


And, for giggles, go back and read that thread. It's pretty funny.
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In that post aive he just clarrifies that you're no longer an active part of the group - in that you can no longer look at the group and participate. But it doesn't say the number changed. I've never seen the number go down and I was recording weekly for the better part of six months. It's weird not to even have a slight dip when I was so many people were losing the icon. Even now, you don't see nearly as many people with the icon on the WotC board.
I'll have to read through this thread and see if there's ever a drop.
 

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Jester Canuck said:
I've never seen the number go down and I was recording weekly for the better part of six months.
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It doesn't mean the number never went down, just that during that period there was no net-loss. DDI is worldwide as far as I can tell and the billing and expiration can be on a montly, quarterly or yearly cycle. It is not too fantastic to believe than in a given billing/expiration cycle you can have someone drop off in on of the "plans" but someone else in the world pick up a subscription with the same "plan", or a different one.
 

D'karr said:
It doesn't mean the number never went down, just that during that period there was no net-loss. DDI is worldwide as far as I can tell and the billing and expiration can be on a montly, quarterly or yearly cycle. It is not too fantastic to believe than in a given billing/expiration cycle you can have someone drop off in on of the "plans" but someone else in the world pick up a subscription with the same "plan", or a different one.
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So... the two possibilities are
a) DDI has never suffered a noticeable net loss
b) the numbers in the DDI group are not accurately go up and down

Between those two possibilities, you're going with a). The number of DDI subscribers has only grown, despite the edition being dead with the last release being almost a year ago.
Despite the massive unhappiness in the fall of 2010 when the second annual payments were due and there were yet no replacement tools and everyone was upset about Essentials.
Every single month there was still more people currently subscribed to DDI than the month prior.

Or... the groups aren't registering people leaving the group properly.

I think I'll go with minor technical glitch.
 

Jester Canuck said:
Between those two possibilities, you're going with a). The number of DDI subscribers has only grown, despite the edition being dead with the last release being almost a year ago.
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Why would this mean that people would stop playing?

Also, these are subscriptions we're talking about. There's a reason the subscription model is such a powerful one. Without a subscription, people actively decide when they want to pay money for a product or service. With a subscription, the onus is on the individual to stop paying that money. They are much more reliable, even in the face of drops in functionality.

I'm not saying a) is certainly the truth, but it's not like it doesn't make any sense. You also need to avoid falling prey to the idea that there is widespread dissatisfaction with DDI. Some people are unhappy, but most of us think it's great, and we'll continue to subscribe for as long as we run 4e games.

Again, there's an easy way to check. Let a subscription lapse, and have someone check the group's members to see if they were removed.
 

Dannager said:
Again, there's an easy way to check. Let a subscription lapse, and have someone check the group's members to see if they were removed.
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Which I've done myself, using a friend's DDI to track the numbers. Refreshing to see exactly when i was no longer subscribed. No change.
But I suppose someone could ave subscribed at just that moment.
 

Jester Canuck said:
Which I've done myself, using a friend's DDI to track the numbers. Refreshing to see exactly when i was no longer subscribed. No change.
But I suppose someone could ave subscribed at just that moment.
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That's not what I said.

We're not talking about tracking numbers. We're talking about unsubscribing from D&D Insider and then seeing if you are still a member of the group. You can search a group's members for an individual. All someone needs to do in unsubscribe and let someone know what their Community username is, and then an active subscriber can search the D&D Insider group to see whether it still lists them as a member. There are 8124 pages of members listed, 10 members per page, so the members database lines up with the member count the group is reporting.

Heck, give us your community username. If you had an account in the past and canceled your subscription, we can check whether you're still in the group.
 



No D_karr on page 2101 between d_hurst and D_mage.
No The_Jester on page 7162 between The_Jagged and The_Jester-s_Trucker.

I eyeballed about 1500 pages and saw about 6 members out of order. Assuming they were people that changed their name (i.e. on page 7162 Mathew_AC links to The_Last_Rogue).

Currently 8126 pages.
 
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Jester Canuck said:
The_Jester.
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No The_Jester found on the group member search page, located here: http://community.wizards.com/dndinsider/go/members/view?pref_tab=groups

Jester Canuck said:
While you're doing that compare the number of pages & members per page with the total membership.
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The membership list shows 10 members per page, and 8125 pages. There are only nine members on the last page of the list. So that's 81249 members actually listed, and 81263 members claimed, a difference of 14 members.
 

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