*How to thwart the Saints Nimbus light?

[Wulf Ratbane]

I post from my office. Here I don’t have books.

The System Reference Document

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I've taken the liberty of linking directly to Protection From Evil.
http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/spellsPtoR.html#protection-from-evil

 

[coyote6]

The System Reference Document

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And download it, burn it to CD (or copy it to a flash drive, or both), and throw it in your briefcase or whatever, so that even when you're at a computer with no or limited Internet access, you'll have it.

Then, you'll just be stuck wondering what the heck the stats are for non-SRD stuff.

(That category would include Nimbus of Light, IIRC; I don't think the BoED is open content. So it wouldn't fully help in this case. )

Can't you tempt this saint into transgressing somehow, and thus losing all those exalted chees- err, abilities? Some succubus cheerleaders or something? Big piles of loot?

 

[Sir ThornCrest]

I already found out about the SRD, but...

but seeing if the nimbus aura of a Saint (which has the magical ability of a lesser globe and x2 str pro vs evil) is doubled by a radiant servant of Pelor...as per the class doubling anything with the light descriptor, that isnt something I could just look up....well I suppose if I had all day but Im at work......And its for these type questions I like to consult the experienced rule lawyers of D&D..thanks Thorncrest

The System Reference Document

Live it, learn it, love it.

I've taken the liberty of linking directly to Protection From Evil.
http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/spellsPtoR.html#protection-from-evil

 

[Sir ThornCrest]

succubus cheerleaders!!!!

Now thats a drawing somebody has to make. Any artist on line please draw and post a link...I would be happy to put that on the wall in my office.


Thorncrest

 

[BSF]

The SRD is golden. Unfortunately, many of the problems you keep posting on stem from 3rd party books. The information might not be available in the SRD.

Reading your above post though, I am confused.

His aura is just a pain a constant lesser globe of invulnerability to block out spells in a 20' radius

As I recall, the Nimbus of Light does not provide the benefits of a Lesser Globe of Invulnerability. Am I grossly misremembering? I thought Nimbus of Light provided some very basic protections and diplomacy bonuses.

 

[Ferrix]

The Radiant Servant of Pelor's (RSoP) Radiance ability applies only to spells, not spell-like abilities nor supernatural abilities. The Protective Aura which is described as a nimbus of light is a supernatural ability and thus is not affected by the Radiance ability of the Radiant Servant of Pelor.

I commented a bunch on your vampire lord build thread in the rules forum, there's a ton of things which will increase his turn resistance. +4 vampire, +4 vampire lord, +4 improved turn resistance feat (Libris Mortis), +4 cloak of turn resistance (Libris Mortis). Give him 11 HD (Psion 5/Constructor 6), and that's an effective HD of 27. There's no way a 11HD cleric can turn him, even if the cleric rolls a 22 or higher since that's at highest Cleric Level +4 which is 15HD. He'll be lucky turning normal vampires (say 8HD) if you give them the improved turn resistance feat (effective turning HD of 16).

 

[Ferrix]

The SRD is golden. Unfortunately, many of the problems you keep posting on stem from 3rd party books. The information might not be available in the SRD.

Reading your above post though, I am confused.

As I recall, the Nimbus of Light does not provide the benefits of a Lesser Globe of Invulnerability. Am I grossly misremembering? I thought Nimbus of Light provided some very basic protections and diplomacy bonuses.

3rd party, meaning still wizards but not core SRD material.

He means the Protective Aura ability of the Saint template which is described as a nimbus of light. Even the Nimbus of Light feat would not be affected by the Radiant Servant's of Pelor Radiance ability as it's not a spell that the RSoP casts.

 

[Ferrix]

The only way to effectively counter the Protective Aura since it's a supernatural ability is with an antimagic field. In that sort of environment it's going to make the poor RSoP pretty darn useless, and a Vampire Lord and his minions could tear 'm limb from limb. It also makes his turn undead useless since it is also a supernatural ability.

 

[BlackMoria]

I might be talking out of the side of my mouth on this, as I don't have the BoED, which I assume is where the Nimbus of Light is from.

I will just mention that unless Nimbus of Light is a spell or spell like ability that specifically states that it has the light descriptor, the Radiant Servant's ability to double spells with the light descriptor doesn't apply to the Nimbus of Light ability.

Also, there is more than one way to skin a Radiant Servant. Stop throwing undead at him. A generous heaping of any standard monster will limit or negate the effectiveness of the Nimbus. Pick monsters that are not inherently evil and the nimbus is even less effective.

 

[Ferrix]

I will just mention that unless Nimbus of Light is a spell or spell like ability that specifically states that it has the light descriptor, the Radiant Servant's ability to double spells with the light descriptor doesn't apply to the Nimbus of Light ability.

Also, there is more than one way to skin a Radiant Servant. Stop throwing undead at him. A generous heaping of any standard monster will limit or negate the effectiveness of the Nimbus. Pick monsters that are not inherently evil and the nimbus is even less effective.

Actually, the Radiance ability doesn't apply to spell-like abilties. Only spells that the RSoP casts.

Also the second comment is a good one. If you make the Vampire Lord a Psion focusing on astral constructs, his astral constructs are completely immune to any of the protective measures which would harm undead or evil creatures.