*How to thwart the Saints Nimbus light?

[BSF]

Doh! The globe of invulnerability is part of the Saint template? OK, got it. (That'll teach me to take too long to post. Probably take too long on this one too.)

I don't think the abilities of the Saint would be improved by the Radiant Servant of Pelor abilities. I will have to dig out my BoED tonight to see if I can nitpick one way or another though.

 

[Sir ThornCrest]

Thats exactly why I love astral constructs. Im playing a evil Cerebramancer 10th level, = to 7th Wizard, 7th Psion (kenetecist) and he spent a feat expanded knowledge just to get the astral construct..........I couldnt think of a better way to spend a feat!!!!! I am saving a feat for Schism next.....what do you think of this choice -schism...many psion players debate this power what your take?

I like sicking the Astral Con. on good clerics, they almost instantly waste a turn on them, the construct will out str them 99% of the time (29 str), and I send them to grapple this will usually make a cleric worthless. Kord Clerics wrestle so I will just have the construct strike and slam normally.

Thorncrest

UOTE=Ferrix]Actually, the Radiance ability doesn't apply to spell-like abilties. Only spells that the RSoP casts.

Also the second comment is a good one. If you make the Vampire Lord a Psion focusing on astral constructs, his astral constructs are completely immune to any of the protective measures which would harm undead or evil creatures.[/QUOTE]

 

[Sir ThornCrest]

and the saint has it at will-the ability to have his pro vs evil and lesser globe... and this is the area in which the player finds (for his benefit of course) some possibility to make his nimbus 40' instead of 20'.....he had brought it up once or twice, not harping on it. I did not allow it...but I was just making sure my ruling was correct.

Thorncrest

Actually, the Radiance ability doesn't apply to spell-like abilties. Only spells that the RSoP casts.

Also the second comment is a good one. If you make the Vampire Lord a Psion focusing on astral constructs, his astral constructs are completely immune to any of the protective measures which would harm undead or evil creatures.

 

[Ferrix]

Thats exactly why I love astral constructs. Im playing a evil Cerebramancer 10th level, = to 7th Wizard, 7th Psion (kenetecist) and he spent a feat expanded knowledge just to get the astral construct..........I couldnt think of a better way to spend a feat!!!!! I am saving a feat for Schism next.....what do you think of this choice -schism...many psion players debate this power what your take?

I like sicking the Astral Con. on good clerics, they almost instantly waste a turn on them, the construct will out str them 99% of the time (29 str), and I send them to grapple this will usually make a cleric worthless. Kord Clerics wrestle so I will just have the construct strike and slam normally.

Thorncrest

Schism is an alright power, although at low levels it's really not so worth it. It's when you start really getting up there in power that it becomes worth it due to the fact that you manifest as 6 levels lower. Seeing that you are already split thus lowering your manifester level, I would definately wait till you have a manifester level nearing 12 or 14. At epic levels though, it's a no-brainer.

 

[Sir ThornCrest]

Schism is an alright power, although at low levels it's really not so worth it. It's when you start really getting up there in power that it becomes worth it due to the fact that you manifest as 6 levels lower. Seeing that you are already split thus lowering your manifester level, I would definately wait till you have a manifester level nearing 12 or 14. At epic levels though, it's a no-brainer.

I dont get another feat until 12th level so I got a while to think about it..I will be casting as 9th and manifesting at 9th levels so basically I can only mildly beef a 1st or 2nd level...yah I see your piont.

Hey as a side question can a schismed Cerebramncer cast as a wizard with my "main brain and manifest powers with my secondary mind?

Thorncrest

 

[BSF]

OK, I looked it up. The Saint's ability being referenced is the Protective Aura which is a supernatural ability. Free action to create it.

It's not a spell. It does not have the light descriptor. It does not gain any benefit from the Radiance ability. Despite any flavor text, it is not a spell with the light descriptor. Tell the player to shush.

As for thwarting it, anti-magic is the best option. Psionics that bypass it are another option. Barring that, setup the PC in a position where a Saint would act saintly and see if the player biffs it. If he does, then the Saint loses the template. Of course, the player may cry foul, or may not biff the situation. *shrug* The PC needed to earn the template, but having earned it doesn't mean it can't be taken away. Enforce the RP restrictions of the template because the template is unbalanced from the get-go. If there is no RP cost, then the PC has free power-ups.

 

[DevoutlyApathetic]

As for thwarting it, anti-magic is the best option. Psionics that bypass it are another option. Barring that, setup the PC in a position where a Saint would act saintly and see if the player biffs it. If he does, then the Saint loses the template. Of course, the player may cry foul, or may not biff the situation. *shrug* The PC needed to earn the template, but having earned it doesn't mean it can't be taken away. Enforce the RP restrictions of the template because the template is unbalanced from the get-go. If there is no RP cost, then the PC has free power-ups.

Just make sure it's the Vampire Lord doing it. Honestly if you know a paragon on goodness is coming for you it's very vampire-y to try and corrupt them and cause them to lose the faith.

Then eat him.

 

[BSF]

Heh - How about giving the vampire lord a een girl assistant that is a gifted wizard, and a vampire. She begs the PCs to save her claiming she is under the thrall of the vampire and she no longer has any free will. Good, noble heroes should save her right?

She will detect as evil because she is undead. The Players, being clever, might think of the kill the vampire, ressurect her to save her gambit. Let that play out. Now that the wizard is mortal again, she can continue her quest to become a Lich by finishing her phylactery and making the transformation that very night.

If the PCs are clever, they can divine her intentions. If they aren't careful, they might allow her to become more powerful than she was.

Not quite enough to lose a Saint template? Maybe not. But if you can get to fairly base reasons why they save her, maybe so. Reward perhaps? Greed and/or Lust are not very Saintly things.

 

[CyberSpyder]

Heh - ... Greed and/or Lust are not very Saintly things.

I don't think saving someone begging to be saved can count as un-Saintly behavior, even if you speculate that some amount of greed or lust might be in their considerations.

 

[BSF]

If the "desperate" victim is offering such things, then it becomes a factor.