How will 4th affect your char?
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Sienna_Rose
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I have characters made by Marvel rules (the old ones -from the TSR days), characters made by White Wolf rules, characters made by D&D rules of different versions. And I play all of them here. Some of them don't even have stats per se, because this *is* freeform. I follow rules that I know to give myself a general guideline. But, let's face it, some people who play here haven't even played *any* table top RPGs.
I haven't read any of the books in the Forgotten Realms setting, or in the Oerth setting. I did play through one module twice, which one DM converted to the other world, so, I don't remember which setting it's actually supposed to be in. . .Forgotten Realms, I think.
Anyway - point is - I don't think the change to 4e has to affect us at all. Yes, the Magi have some decisions to make because of setting changes - do they want to jump ahead? Maybe there'll be a poll. My vote is for continuity, if so.
I haven't read any of the books in the Forgotten Realms setting, or in the Oerth setting. I did play through one module twice, which one DM converted to the other world, so, I don't remember which setting it's actually supposed to be in. . .Forgotten Realms, I think.
Anyway - point is - I don't think the change to 4e has to affect us at all. Yes, the Magi have some decisions to make because of setting changes - do they want to jump ahead? Maybe there'll be a poll. My vote is for continuity, if so.
It truly doesn't matter to me.
I'm making the change to 4th edition eventually, but as we've all pretty much have said is that ISRP really has no inherent system. We have freeformers, 3.0's, 3.5's, some WoWers, WoDs, and just plain insane characters. So the release of this is gonna do nothing to our community for the most part.
And for all you people not switching over to 4.0, shame on you! WotC is a company in the wonderful capitalist country of the United States. Give them money! It's how our economy works!
And remember, if nature tells us anything...those who do not change and adapt are sure to die out. Just a thought.
(And yes, I know these are not the complete explanations of capitalist theory and natural selection, so hush! )
I'm making the change to 4th edition eventually, but as we've all pretty much have said is that ISRP really has no inherent system. We have freeformers, 3.0's, 3.5's, some WoWers, WoDs, and just plain insane characters. So the release of this is gonna do nothing to our community for the most part.
And for all you people not switching over to 4.0, shame on you! WotC is a company in the wonderful capitalist country of the United States. Give them money! It's how our economy works!
And remember, if nature tells us anything...those who do not change and adapt are sure to die out. Just a thought.
(And yes, I know these are not the complete explanations of capitalist theory and natural selection, so hush! )
Really the change will not be altering to my lone character unless you count the world around him. Simple basis of him not being based out of the d20 system, more specifically 3rd of 3.5 edition.
On the topic of the Realms, I'm not well versed. If the basic pantheon is still intact (That is ignoring many of the lesser well known deities) Then you should have no problem with magic. Also there is the big huge hole with the word 'Plot' written over it in the form of a few spells such as 'Time Stop' 'Permanency' and 'Mage’s Disjunction'. Of course these are all rather expensive spells but as before, I direct you to the large hole on your right.
Alternately I don't see why you cannot play in a past version of a setting. After all, wasn't their a source book for a specific period? Year of Rogue Dragons or something like that. I maybe wrong on it, but its a case of the the old AD&D supplements vs. 3rd edition stuff in my eyes. I mean, did they ever tell you about the Anourch Desert expanding in the any of the d20 supplements?
On the topic of the Realms, I'm not well versed. If the basic pantheon is still intact (That is ignoring many of the lesser well known deities) Then you should have no problem with magic. Also there is the big huge hole with the word 'Plot' written over it in the form of a few spells such as 'Time Stop' 'Permanency' and 'Mage’s Disjunction'. Of course these are all rather expensive spells but as before, I direct you to the large hole on your right.
Alternately I don't see why you cannot play in a past version of a setting. After all, wasn't their a source book for a specific period? Year of Rogue Dragons or something like that. I maybe wrong on it, but its a case of the the old AD&D supplements vs. 3rd edition stuff in my eyes. I mean, did they ever tell you about the Anourch Desert expanding in the any of the d20 supplements?
Tharivious
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I've been keeping up on this specifically, which is strange, because I never liked the Realms, still don't, and I'm still peeved by the changes.Towey said:
Realms pantheon is mostly intact. Mostly. Greater gods will now be pantheon heads, with most intermediate/lesser/demigods being reduced to servitor deities and hero-gods under them. Racial pantheons are looking to be either utterly annihilated (drow are down to just Lolth, dwarves are down to two or three as I recall) or subsumed as aspects of human-pantheon deities (elves, especially; Sehanine Moonbow is now an aspect of Selune, for example). Mystra is dead and gone (and staying gone), as of end-of-phase-3.5e, Cyric is imprisoned for 1000 years for killing Mystra (but it's been stated that he was imprisoned so that the authors could continue his storyline, so that likely won't stick; Shar assisted, but wasn't punished in any way).
Cyric killing Mystra causes the Spellplague, wreaks havoc on the entire plane, drives several mages insane (curiously, this avoids most Mythal-enclosed areas, which should probably have shorted out when Mystra, and therefore the Weave, went ka-blammo). Major geographical changes in several key areas. Shade/Netheril has taken over Sembia, effectively surrounding Cormyr, and for some reason, is growing plants in the desert.
Realms has effectively become a new setting with the same names and themes, really. Just enough changes to completely throw off many veterans that loved it, and not enough to win over those that loathed it.
Meanwhile, Eberron isn't even getting the original planned 2-year time jump, because Eberron players complained loud enough. Go figure.
over multiple years, multiple successful, and failed storylines, and multiple successful, and failed characters, I can count the number of times I've actually rolled dice in ISRP on just my two hands.
In my mind, the only thing ISRP uses from the ruleset, is the history, the settings, and the system of magic, be it divine or arcane.
Who cares what the armor class of that level 13 were-eagle half dragon is?
Do you care what the roll is for a thrown hard packed snowball to deal subdual damage?
Maybe you'd like to roll some dice to see if your bluff check works on the PC female at the bar?
what Zeren said, Freeformers, 3.0ers and 3.5ers, not to mention a healthy helping of blizzard fans, and anime fans showing us their psi blades and headbands.
the only thing that could touch ISRP, might be the setting change, and even then, it will be widly ignored, kind of how the move of the tavern from the planar nexus, to greyhawk was, for a good long while, by a number of people *coughs*
In my mind, the only thing ISRP uses from the ruleset, is the history, the settings, and the system of magic, be it divine or arcane.
Who cares what the armor class of that level 13 were-eagle half dragon is?
Do you care what the roll is for a thrown hard packed snowball to deal subdual damage?
Maybe you'd like to roll some dice to see if your bluff check works on the PC female at the bar?
what Zeren said, Freeformers, 3.0ers and 3.5ers, not to mention a healthy helping of blizzard fans, and anime fans showing us their psi blades and headbands.
the only thing that could touch ISRP, might be the setting change, and even then, it will be widly ignored, kind of how the move of the tavern from the planar nexus, to greyhawk was, for a good long while, by a number of people *coughs*
Shasf
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As much as I hate to admit, I have not followed along with the news of 4th edition, even so, although nothing, if very little, will change for my characters, one or more of which are longer lived than even the elves.
I will be picking up 4th edition core books just to see some of the differences that were made and I would like to see the new inventions be they spells or tech that have developed in FR within that 104 year gap.
If 4ed could be more like the early 3.5 and some of the better books from this middle era, I would welcome the change instead of turning my back upon the new system with no knowledge or experience of how it would run in comparison with 3.0 or 3.5.
I'm also a little curious of how psionics will be effected by this newest edition, though I only hope that it can fix the problematic Complete Psi like the Expanded Psionics Handbook fixed the rather silly and very problematic 3.0 Psionics.
That being said, I will continue on with the question at the title of the thread with my character of Shasf, The creature that It is now, will probably become even odder, wierder, and even stranger with the onset of 4ed. I am not sure if people could or could not cope with such a developement of this one character, perhaps It will add more to the list of people who refuse to RP with It just because it is already too wierd... If the new edition can do this, than I have met with my new years resolution and will need to make another.
Take care everyone.
I will be picking up 4th edition core books just to see some of the differences that were made and I would like to see the new inventions be they spells or tech that have developed in FR within that 104 year gap.
If 4ed could be more like the early 3.5 and some of the better books from this middle era, I would welcome the change instead of turning my back upon the new system with no knowledge or experience of how it would run in comparison with 3.0 or 3.5.
I'm also a little curious of how psionics will be effected by this newest edition, though I only hope that it can fix the problematic Complete Psi like the Expanded Psionics Handbook fixed the rather silly and very problematic 3.0 Psionics.
That being said, I will continue on with the question at the title of the thread with my character of Shasf, The creature that It is now, will probably become even odder, wierder, and even stranger with the onset of 4ed. I am not sure if people could or could not cope with such a developement of this one character, perhaps It will add more to the list of people who refuse to RP with It just because it is already too wierd... If the new edition can do this, than I have met with my new years resolution and will need to make another.
Take care everyone.
Ruthia
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I don't D&D, I'll be the first to admitt to it. I've been freeform since I started and proud of it. I do find myself occasionally looking at a spell list to put names to spells for people who do use D&D, but honestly thats the extent of it. So 4e doesn't affect me in that sense.
Setting changes on the other hand.....wow 100 years is a HUGE jump. Yes most of use would lose any human characters, heck most those characters children would be fairly old too. Thats a down side. Another downside I see just from reading the threads I have, Oreth. How would the Magi put Toril and Sigil into the future that big but explain Oreth's still in the past? And more importantly, why would the average character be time traveling like that to begin with! Sure doesn't seem like a huge deal but a lot of us have characters that setting jump a lot...... could get real confusing.
Setting changes on the other hand.....wow 100 years is a HUGE jump. Yes most of use would lose any human characters, heck most those characters children would be fairly old too. Thats a down side. Another downside I see just from reading the threads I have, Oreth. How would the Magi put Toril and Sigil into the future that big but explain Oreth's still in the past? And more importantly, why would the average character be time traveling like that to begin with! Sure doesn't seem like a huge deal but a lot of us have characters that setting jump a lot...... could get real confusing.
Dontella
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ISRP is a Free Form Setting. No Dice Required, No Sheet Needed.
You don't need to know a thing about rules, regulations, editions.
Yes, ENWorld is looking at and probably will undoubtedly promote the 4th Edition of the Gaming System, ENWorld is a site for a much larger gaming community than just us awesome ISRPers.
As far as ISRP Settings go..
From all appearances and intentions, the only setting I really see being affected would be the Faerunian based rooms, that is the Rotunda and Pegasus. And that, I imagine, is entirely up to the Magi who graciously host said rooms and help keep ISRP going.
I haven't been keeping up on all the breaking 4e news, because quite frankly I find the idea laudible at best. However, from all that I have read through it seems at this time the only setting getting a major overhaul would be the Forgotten Realms.
So, I come back to the question and original statement of this thread.. How will 4e change your character?
It won't.
Not even a little, not even at all.
Free Form setting means I can play my PC's as I see fit to do so, as long as they remain within the CoC and Setting Rules given. The idea of a 4e setting is absolutely abhorent to me, and I personally refuse to acknowledge it. Yech!
*jedi mind trick* There is no Fourth Edition.
You don't need to know a thing about rules, regulations, editions.
Yes, ENWorld is looking at and probably will undoubtedly promote the 4th Edition of the Gaming System, ENWorld is a site for a much larger gaming community than just us awesome ISRPers.
As far as ISRP Settings go..
From all appearances and intentions, the only setting I really see being affected would be the Faerunian based rooms, that is the Rotunda and Pegasus. And that, I imagine, is entirely up to the Magi who graciously host said rooms and help keep ISRP going.
I haven't been keeping up on all the breaking 4e news, because quite frankly I find the idea laudible at best. However, from all that I have read through it seems at this time the only setting getting a major overhaul would be the Forgotten Realms.
So, I come back to the question and original statement of this thread.. How will 4e change your character?
It won't.
Not even a little, not even at all.
Free Form setting means I can play my PC's as I see fit to do so, as long as they remain within the CoC and Setting Rules given. The idea of a 4e setting is absolutely abhorent to me, and I personally refuse to acknowledge it. Yech!
*jedi mind trick* There is no Fourth Edition.
Tharivious
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No time jump for Sigil as far as what has been announced (although that is indicative of WotC's design flaw in a 104 year time jump being imposed on one setting that has had crossovers in the past; it won't matter much though, 4E Realms will have a different cosmology yet again thanks to Mystra being killed, several divine realms will collapse taking their owners with them). Sigil faces a far, far greater change by being officially updated for the 4E "Points of Light" non-setting-setting: the removal of the Great Wheel.Ruthia said:
Removal of the Wheel removes the outer planes as most people know them. Baator is still around, but it's now an allegedly inescapable prison plane where the devils (who are now all considered to be fallen angels who betrayed and killed their deity, might I add) require mortal assistance to leave. Mount Celestia is now floating in the Astral, with no big announcements on any changes (and why would they? 4E planes are all about the epic level dungeon theory, as evidenced by pit fiends now being quantified and mere Elite monsters, meaning that it only creates half of an encounter for an on-level party
). The Abyss has been turned into a blight on the Elemental Chaos, a fused mix of the elemental planes and Limbo (and demons have become corrupted elementals bent only on destruction). And that's just what I've seen revealed.And further on the monster end of things, with the fiends at least: Devils are now strictly humanoid with a handful of fiendish traits, and demons are now supposedly strictly bestial. Among other things, this means that succubi are now devils. Worse than that, from a Planescape point of view, Yugoloths are now demons, and the 'loth suffix has been removed from core.
4E Sigil may be still called Sigil, but it's not going to be the Sigil that people know. Much like the Realms, it's going to be an entirely new setting with the same names and vaguely the same concepts, but different enough to throw off the people that love it.
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