D&D 4E Hypothetical Scenario: What if WotC chooses never to do 4E?

Razz

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We all know 4E is coming, whether some of us want it to or not (like me), but here's an interesting twist to all of this.

What if WotC stated they're never going to plan to do a 4E and we simply need to make the best of what we have and what we can tweak in 3.5E? But they want our help to do it and they'll do their best to make it happen?

Personally, I think something like this would be awesome since no one has to switch editions, people can expect their D&D to continue to expand and not hit the edge of a cliff once a new edition rolls around, and every generation of D&D gamers can enjoy the same game and not have to say to each other "I only know 2E and 3.0E, John knows 3.5E, my son knows only 3.5E and a little of 4E, Will and Diana know only 1E, and Joe only knows 4E..."

Now on a much more objective perspective, what would you as the customer and fan want WotC to do to make 3.5E more interesting and less complex yet please both the folks that want "rules light" and "rules heavy"? Obviously something like this means WotC really needs to get rolling on all their backed up errata, for one example.

Other than errata, what rules in 3.5E would you want WotC to modify (similar in scope to the "Polymorph" issues)? What parts of the 3.5E system would you want WotC to explore to make the game evolve and more fun without requiring a whole edition change (e.g. the Tome of Battle, Magic of Incarnum, and Tome of Magic books)? What sort of products would you want in an edition that "never ends"?

Another interesting question would be do you think D&D would dry out if 4E never came? Do you really think a game like D&D needs to roll up an entire new editon and set of rules in order to stay fresh and keep the fans wanting more? Or can they come to a happy medium in 3.5E? Will there ever be a "peak" to the D&D system rules or must there always be complete revisions of the system into a whole new edition? What is stopping the current edition from evolving in its current state? Is it our fault or WotC's?

Let's not all forget, the only reason 3E came was because D&D really needed a complete overhaul from what TSR did to it. That's the only reason D&D got such a transformation. What do you think would have to happen to 3.5E in order for 4E to be released? I think the same thing that happened to 2E would have to happen, but do you ever see 3.5E drowning in the same garbage 2E did to itself?
 
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Razz said:
Another interesting question would be do you think D&D would dry out if 4E never came? Do you really think a game like D&D needs to roll up an entire new editon and set of rules in order to stay fresh and keep the fans wanting more? Or can they come to a happy medium in 3.5E? Will there ever be a "peak" to the D&D system rules or must there always be complete revisions of the system into a whole new edition? What is stopping the current edition from evolving in its current state? Is it our fault or WotC's?

I think that if 4e never came out, the 3.5 books would become increasingly niche, irrelevant, or repetitive to the point that not enough people would buy them to make D&D worthwhile from a business perspective. And the game can only evolve so far without a new edition to codify and organize the changes, or it will just become a bigger and bigger mess.

Also, people (myself included) like new things. If D&D stops having new things, the majority of gamers will move on to something else.
 

Well, the most notable effect of no 4e (or of a really bad 4e) is that by 2015 the D&D business at WotC would be dead, and the entire tabletop RPG business would be on life support.
 

If 4E never came out, then we'd be stuck with bloated products, broken rules, fragmented marketplace.

Certainly I feel as if 3.5 has worn out its welcome. Many people have seen SAGA as the wave of the future and are happily abandoning 3.5 to go with SAGA rules.

If Hasbro announced no upgrade to D&D, I'd first look to see who they sold the brand to. If they hadn't sold the brand, then I'd buy some winter coats because hell has frozen over and we're not too far behind.
 

I think we'd see a rise in campaign settings. These would be games that were D&D, but limited spell lists, magic items, and classes and added new rules what for to impart a specific tone or feel.

For example: Dark Sun. Or Pirates of the Caribbean. Or a completely magic-less setting.
 

It might not be called 4Ed, but it will come along sometime if for no other reason than to correct the accumulated rules bloat & eratta.
 

No way this would happen. Already 3.5 is bloated, and many of the books are repititive (2 PHBs!!!! 5 Monster Manuals!)

Plus, new core books=more $$$, as the upgrade frenzy begins.
 


Well, if they reissued the core books every few years with errata, and let supplements go out of print and replaced them every few years with comparable-but-not-identical books, they could probably manage this.

Realistically, they'd want to label it something like 3.501, 3.502, etc., just so people could keep track, even if it was only on the copyright page.
 

You see stuff like that in legal codes.

In the gaming world, Task Force Games did something like that with Star Fleet Battles.

Every rules supplement that got released had an erratta/corrections section.

Still, every once in a while, you'd have to publish either an eratta compendium or a Core rules revision because chasing down all the revisions could drive you nuts.
 

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