I’m not dead yet…..sticking with 3.5

[JoeGKushner]

I’m not dead yet…..sticking with 3.5

Over at Chris Pramas blog, Ex-Teenage Rebel , he lays out his schedule.

One of the things I noticed is this one.

I’m not dead yet…..sticking with 3.5
3:00 PM; Evergreen 2
Not thrilled with the new edition? Stop by this panel where prominent gamers and industry professionals share options for sticking with 3.5 via Pathfinder, True20, or other 3.5 variants. Learn how to get involved in organized play events, find other gamers, and keep playing the game.
Wolfgang Baur, Jason Buhlman, Darrin Drader, Chris Pramas, Sean Reynolds


Okay... I haven't seen the final of Pathfinder but True20, Conan, and many other OGL variants are not really 3.5. Seems like bait and switch.

"The Warhammer Fantasy system is awesome to recrate the feel of your 3.5 game!"

Opinions?

 

[Psion]

Over at Chris Pramas blog, Not thrilled with the new edition? Stop by this panel where prominent gamers and industry professionals share options for sticking with 3.5 via Pathfinder, True20, or other 3.5 variants. Learn how to get involved in organized play events, find other gamers, and keep playing the game.
Wolfgang Baur, Jason Buhlman, Darrin Drader, Chris Pramas, Sean Reynolds


Okay... I haven't seen the final of Pathfinder but True20, Conan, and many other OGL variants are not really 3.5. Seems like bait and switch.

"The Warhammer Fantasy system is awesome to recrate the feel of your 3.5 game!"

What does Warhammer fantasy have to do with this.

But otherwise, I do see the point. But I see your point too. That's not what I'd call "sticking with 3.5", but I'd say that some d20 variants like Pathfinder, Conan D20, and FantasyCraft deliver (and possibly even improve upon) the sort of gaming I sought from 3.5 that the 4e designers decided weren't important to gameplay.

 

[Crothian]

Warhammer Fantasy is just his next eaxample for the bait and switch he expects I imagine. It seems like marketing to get all the people who want to stay with 3.5 to really switch over to one of these similiar games that are still in print.

It does seem though that the easiest way to stick with 3.5 is to just scontinue playing 3.5 as I'm not sure I need any of these other games (as good as they are) to do that.

 

[Mark]

Joe cannot spell subtlety without sledge.


But he has a point about this, in that, how far from 3.5 can something veer and still be considered 3.5 or at least 3.5-esque? I think the first tests are if it is OGL and also has the 3.5 SRD as it's primary OGC source. What other requirements would you need, Joe? Alan? Chris?

 

[Imaro]

Over at Chris Pramas blog, Ex-Teenage Rebel , he lays out his schedule.

One of the things I noticed is this one.

I’m not dead yet…..sticking with 3.5
3:00 PM; Evergreen 2
Not thrilled with the new edition? Stop by this panel where prominent gamers and industry professionals share options for sticking with 3.5 via Pathfinder, True20, or other 3.5 variants. Learn how to get involved in organized play events, find other gamers, and keep playing the game.
Wolfgang Baur, Jason Buhlman, Darrin Drader, Chris Pramas, Sean Reynolds


Okay... I haven't seen the final of Pathfinder but True20, Conan, and many other OGL variants are not really 3.5. Seems like bait and switch.

"The Warhammer Fantasy system is awesome to recrate the feel of your 3.5 game!"

Opinions?

I'm confused... what exactly seems like a bait and switch?

I mean it could be discussions about including straight 3.5 conversions in future products for Pathfinder, True20, Conan, etc... or perhaps web enhancements, with 3.5 stats. Maybe even having a wide umbrella of OGL play events that actually do include straight 3.5 play but are sponsored by companies that are dealing with variants and OGL games.

I guess without further information it's hard to really say...though I do wonder why, you would assume it's baiting and switching? Also the WFRP comment just seems like hyperbole since it is certainly magnitudes further from 3.5 than the games mentioned above, but whatever...

 

[JoeGKushner]

Joe cannot spell subtlety without sledge.


But he has a point about this, in that, how far from 3.5 can something veer and still be considered 3.5 or at least 3.5-esque? I think the first tests are if it is OGL and also has the 3.5 SRD as it's primary OGC source. What other requirements would you need, Joe? Alan? Chris?

For me, it's not 3.5 if I can't pick it up and use it with little to no modification in my 3.5 Dungeons and Dragons game.

Arcana Evolved? Sure, used it many times.

True 20? Uh... No.

Just because something is OGL doesn't mean it's 3.5 based even. Mutants and Masterminds doesn't even have classes for example. Conan keeps things grim and gritty. Even d20 products like Black Company aren't fully compatible with D&D without knowing the system in and out and working to make it so.

 

[hong]

The operational definition of 3.5 they appear to be using is "uses a d20 and isn't 4E".

 

[JoeGKushner]

I'm confused... what exactly seems like a bait and switch?

I mean it could be discussions about including straight 3.5 conversions in future products for Pathfinder, True20, Conan, etc... or perhaps web enhancements, with 3.5 stats. Maybe even having a wide umbrella of OGL play events that actually do include straight 3.5 play but are sponsored by companies that are dealing with variants and OGL games.

I guess without further information it's hard to really say...though I do wonder why, you would assume it's baiting and switching? Also the WFRP comment just seems like hyperbole since it is certainly magnitudes further from 3.5 than the games mentioned above, but whatever...

Don't tell me to stick with 3.5 and then try and push me towards Conan or True 20. That's bait and switch.

If they had titled it, "OGL; the legacy of gaming from 3.5 to now" then I could see it.

And the WFRP is pure hyperbole but at the same time, not that much. I've seen a lot of OGL books. Some of them would be harder to translete over than Warhammer FRPG.

 

[Mark]

Just because something is OGL doesn't mean it's 3.5 based even.

That's why I couple being OGL with having the 3.5 SRD as its primary OGC source. I feel that at a minimum, and by definition, 3.5 compatible material must have those two things, and possible more. Your definition might be a bit narrow by someone else's account. I think there might be situational sub-systems or rules that even you would accept as still within the 3.5 compatible sphere.

 

[Frostmarrow]

Pretty harmless, if you ask me. To me OGL means 3.x.