shadow said:The current edition of D&D is suffering greatly from rules glut. Every new book has to introduce more feats and more prestige classes. Prestige classes were originally a good idea - the first prestige were generic enough to include in most campaign settings; now prestige classes are getting to the point of being absurd. Feats, originally a great way to custimize a character, have gotten out of hand with the 1,000+ feats we have (I never thought that I would get tired of seeing new feats)! Then we have so many optional rules introduced with each supplement that I yearn for a time of simplicity.
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Who is this "they" that always crops up in these 4e convos?! They seem to be even able to cross companies...they were once at TSR, where they knew of the buy-out. They're now at WotC, where they know of 4e being just....around....the....CORNER!
Hehehehe.
Razz said:Pretty much, a release of 4E at anytime will start a huge schism in the gaming community. You'll have those that stay at 3.5E, those that quit D&D entirely, and those few that stick around to pick up the pieces and try and get 4E D&D running.
WayneLigon said:OK, I want a show of hands. Who actually believes that, when 4E comes, it will not follow the same pattern of releases that every popular RPG has since the beginning: there will be core books, and then more books: supplements, adventures, equipment, spells, monsters and NPCs and locations and etc etc. And still more. Until people quit buying them.
Five or six years after 4E is released, we'll have the equvilant number of splat books, environment books, additional monsters, spells, or whatever 'extra things that can be added' there are in 4E. Lets say that, just to pick something out of the air, 4E will have templates for spells you can lay onto spells to change their features. Does anyone really, truly think we will not see The Book of Spell Templates? And probably Book of Spell Templates II, if that sold really well?
If 'number of books and rules' is a problem with 3E, then 4E will not solve this problem. It's a matter of simple common sense. As long as D&D remains as popular as it is, you'll see more books until most major niches have been filled.
Shadow said:I have a little problem with the "if you don't like the options, don't use them" argument. The problem is that there are players that demand that they get to play a duskblade/warlock/battledancer or they quit the game. It seems that recently all the optional classes from the splatbooks have suddenly become "core". Many players that I know demand that they get to play the latest thing from the latest book, campaign coherency be damned. Luckily, the people that I game with are not this extreme, but it's very hard finding new gamers where I live.
I also find it interesting that so many people seem "content with 3.5e". I remember several gamers that were "content with 3e" until 3.5e came out. The next thing I know, these same gamers sell their entire collection of 3e books and started complaining how "broken" 3e was. It seems that gamers will go along with whatever the current edition is.
The interpersonal issues at your table are not WotC's problem.shadow said:I have a little problem with the "if you don't like the options, don't use them" argument. The problem is that there are players that demand that they get to play a duskblade/warlock/battledancer or they quit the game.
How do we go from "several" to all gamers?I also find it interesting that so many people seem "content with 3.5e". I remember several gamers that were "content with 3e" until 3.5e came out. The next thing I know, these same gamers sell their entire collection of 3e books and started complaining how "broken" 3e was. It seems that gamers will go along with whatever the current edition is.