I hope Eberron is a flop. Am I evil?

[Desdichado]

WotC has released FR under 3E rules, left Greyhawk to the RPGA, allowed Ravenloft to be revised and published by White Wolf, and declared no official support to be forthcoming for everything else. They've done a some one-offs in Polyhedron - but they were strictly intended as such.

The pedantic peanut gallery would like to point out that a Greyhawk Gazeteer was also released by WotC, and Dragonlance and now (apparently) Masque of the Red Death were also licensed. Planescape's also been on a kind of life support by making many of it's unique elements rolled up into core both in Manual of the Planes and in the various monster books, etc. But that in no way invalidates your point.

 

[Ranger REG]

So I really don't wish Eberron such evil. I just predict it dying in two years or so like the other campaign settings I mentioned above. I'm sure Eberron is a fantastic setting -- but, hey, so were the ones I mentioned above that TSR/WotC axed coz they "weren't selling well"!

That's funny. A lot of critics have said the same thing about Forgotten Realms back in the late 80's.

dead dud (you're only a dude if you're alive ), I have seen this happened before. An old setting gets old, and thus a new setting must be born. From what I hear, it is enough to appeal the new generations of gamers, just as FR appealed to me back in '87 (and just out of high school).

 

[dead]

(And notice that I don't say TSR/WotC, as they are not the same.)

Yeah, you're right. Maybe this is my mistake. I'm equating TSR with WotC. Oh well, let's hope Ebberon lasts more than a couple of years. Unlike similarly dynamic settings that died under TSR, like Darksun, Spelljammer, and Planescape.

(People have said Ebberon breaks the *classic* mold. Well this isn't a new thing, the three TSR settings I mentioned above broke the *classic* (ie. Mystara, Greyhawk, FR) mold. TSR's bad management lead to there demise, I guess.)

And this all ignores the fact that there is *so* much 1e and 2e material for many of these settings that you could spend the rest of your life converting and playing through it all.

Yeah, people keep on mentioning it but in a way it's irrelevant. Sure, I can play my old settings with 3E (and, indeed, I do!) but what I'm hoping for is some measure of respect for old settings and for those settings to be shared indefinitely with the gaming community. Sure, if they're an absolute flop, then ditch 'em. But I'm not convinced all those old settings that TSR (not WotC) ditched were so unsuccessful. I don't know, I have no proof on this. I just think they didn't achieve that *goldmine* that they were after. A goldmine like FR, for example. But you're right, this is just pure speculation and I need to do my research.

In the meantime, let's hope WotC doesn't follow in the path of TSR and consign Ebberon to the campaign setting graveyard if it doesn't rake in MegaBucks after a couple of years.

 

[nopantsyet]

I hope New York Times is a flop. Am I evil?

[tongue in cheek]

I'm sure today's NYT is a great newspaper and folks are having loads of fun with it but nopantsyet wishes nothing but evil for the paper.

nopantsyet wants the money-making machine called NTY-MegaCorp to really make a loss on this one.

nopantsyet wants them to realise that they've got enough great news up their Armani shirt sleeves without having to churn out new material.

These are the secret thoughts of nopantsyet.

Am I evil?

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If I were NYT, I'd re-release:

October 21, 1929 -- heeeeeeeaps of material here. And a decent fanbase, I think. You could also re-release all the old stock quotes. Don't bother updating them in a new font, just present them as is with grainy pictures. (NYT has an obsession with updating fonts.)

December 7, 1941 -- just as a one-off paper; a "new-option" if you like.

June 6, 1944 -- also a one-off "news-option" paper.

Last week -- if last week is gonna be the old news, then I think it should get support just like yesterday -- otherwise make yesterday the default news! A recent poll on EN World showed us the last week's NYT was just as popular as yesterday's. I don't know, maybe there's just a lot of old-school folk on EN World.

 

[Sir Elton]

That's interesting, I thought Henry locked this thread. :?

 

[Mouseferatu]

That's interesting, I thought Henry locked this thread. :?

Wishful thinking, maybe?

I don't care how many people are having fun with this thread, I want it to die. Surely that will convince the money-making suits who frequent EN World return to good old-fashioned threads!

 

[Henry]

Nope - unless it turns ugly from more than one poster, we usually don't close threads. So far it's vasillated between heated and thought-provoking, but hasn't yet gone into to the "you're a blockhead", "no, you are" territory. If one person tries to get nasty just to close a thread they don't like, we usually edit their nastiness out and let folks who want the discussion to continue.

Now, the one SURE-FIRE way to kill a thread, is to ignore it...

 

[Henry]

[tongue in cheek]
I'm sure today's NYT is a great newspaper and folks are having loads of fun with it but nopantsyet wishes nothing but evil for the paper....

Am I evil?

And YOU, sir, are utterly, irredeemably evil.

 

[dead]

Nope - unless it turns ugly from more than one poster, we usually don't close threads. So far it's vasillated between heated and thought-provoking, but hasn't yet gone into to the "you're a blockhead", "no, you are" territory. If one person tries to get nasty just to close a thread they don't like, we usually edit their nastiness out and let folks who want the discussion to continue.

Now, the one SURE-FIRE way to kill a thread, is to ignore it...

Ya, plus I apologised of sorts.

I don't wish Eberron evil. Just TSR annoyed me a lot by dropping settings like hot potatoes. My mistake was equating TSR with WotC.

Oh wells . . . let's see how long Eberron can go for under WotC.

(I wouldn't mind at all if you close the thread as I'm very contrite over my original post.)

 

[Glyfair]

I hope there is a good business plan in place to keep newcomers to WoTC from adding unneccessary and unwanted things (races that don't belong etc.) to it that were not included in the beginning setting book.

Unnecessary & unwanted things in a campaign setting that his being sold as a setting that has a place for anything in D&D somewhere (admittedly, not necessarily where it would be in "core" D&D)?

(Also, note I said anything, not everything - they don't intend for you to throw everything and the kitchen sink into your Eberron).