D&D 3.x I miss 3.5 edition

[neceros]

@nevin
I too have a soft spot for 3x. I've always played D&D, but that edition was the one my friends and I really went in on. 8 hours a day, just about every day (PF ruleset).

I still have my books (they're just too memorable to get rid of), but not sure I'd go back to it. Your assumptions are correct about high level games: they are a lot of effort to run, especially magic-user NPCs! I'm currently playing PF2 and really enjoying it.

I'd like to play pf2

 

[Maxperson]

While I played several iconic legacy builds from past editions in 3.5Ed, it let me try characters that simply weren’t possible before, doing things that weren’t possible before. After a certain point, I barely played a PC that would be easily retrofitted into one of the older iterations.

And aren't possible now. When I think of my favorite characters from 3e, none of them are buildable in 5e.

 

[Jahydin]

I'd like to play pf2

Rules are free!: PF2 SRD

Also, another great reference: Home - Archives of Nethys: Pathfinder 2nd Edition Database

 

[Maxperson]

Just kill those players till they leave your table if your running high level games. If they can do it. It should be fair game for the DM as well.

I mean, you only have to kill them once. If they get up after that, you're in the middle of a zombie apocalypse and your DMing days are over.

 

[Celebrim]

Like what?

Prestige Classes, for example. Particularly, when you started getting two or three front loaded classes that allowed you to play what was already a viable concept, but better, and then you started seeing charop's from players just assuming they could enter into two or three prestige classes.

Increased spell lists for another, particularly because there was nothing balancing divine casters. Every single spell published became an available class feature.

Indeed, just about everything introduced in 3.5 actively harmed the game. Playtesting was non-existent. The publishing schedule was everything. Every book had to offer new chargen options because they were wanting to drive sales by making sure the book would appeal to both players and GMs. So every book was just lousy with new chargen options. No game requires 600 prestige classes, and if yours does, something is wrong with the game. What's worse, aside from the Pun-Pun problem and needing table agreements as to how much you were going to break the game, is that with all those chargen options, tons of archetypal characters still weren't really playable. Because invariably, to meet deadlines everyone would just go after the easiest concepts and the lowest hanging fruit.

Complete mess. 3.5e was too compatible with 3.0e to actually fix any of its problems, so instead it just buried the problems under a mountain of other problems.

 

[neceros]

Prestige Classes, for example. Particularly, when you started getting two or three front loaded classes that allowed you to play what was already a viable concept, but better, and then you started people charop's by just assuming they could enter into two or three prestige classes.

Increased spell lists for another, particularly because there was nothing balancing divine casters. Every single spell published became an available class feature.

Indeed, just about everything introduced in 3.5 actively harmed the game. Playtesting was non-existent. The publishing schedule was everything. Every book had to offer new chargen options because they were wanting to drive sales by making sure the book would appeal to both players and GMs. So every book was just lousy with new chargen options. No game requires 600 prestige classes, and if yours does, something is wrong with the game. What's worse, aside from the Pun-Pun problem and needing table agreements as to how much you were going to break the game, is that with all those chargen options, tons of archetypal characters still weren't really playable. Because invariably, to meet deadlines everyone would just go after the easiest concepts and the lowest hanging fruit.

Complete mess. 3.5e was too compatible with 3.0e to actually fix any of its problems, so instead it just buried the problems under a mountain of other problems.

why do you hate my sorcerer paladin monk abjurant mage with 54 AC, maximum saves, 7th level spells, and near full BAB?

never played it because i felt bad for my gm

 

[Celebrim]

never played it because i felt bad for my gm

Mid to late 3.5e required a session minus one where the participants worked out to what degree they were going to not break the game so that they'd be all on the same page.