I need a God-forge.

[Nightfall]

Why wouldn't Gond have a god forge? Maybe he wants to maybe make a few deities himself. But usually the way to gain godhood is to have divine sponsorship or else have enough power to ascend. Ao, that SOB golfer of over-gods, and scumbag Ken Lay of deities, generally has to say "okay" but since he's golfing...eh.

And Kae'yoss is right, Amanutar is a) not a psionic deity nor has any psionic stuff involved with him. b) He is being considered to be "Lanthander" reborn by some of his clergy. c) In Lost Empires there was a deity of psionics but he's dead. Servant of the Fallen is generally the only way to access such things.

If your DM is being a hard ass about such things, go with the Gond route. This way he'll be less enclinced to start "whittling" you away. Hopefully.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Why wouldn't Gond have a god forge? Maybe he wants to maybe make a few deities himself.

Why? They're not mechanical. The closest you get to a mechanical deity anywhere is Banjo.

But usually the way to gain godhood is to have divine sponsorship or else have enough power to ascend. Ao, that SOB golfer of over-gods, and scumbag Ken Lay of deities, generally has to say "okay" but since he's golfing...eh.

I sense a great deal of anger in you, young one. What's your problem with Ao? Did someone tell you he trashed the Scarred Lands?

And Kae'yoss is right

Yes.

 

[Nightfall]

Firstly,

My anger with Ao is the following: He's a useless contrivence and also is considered by some to be like "Oh if Ao says no..." Ao-smamho! Secondly because of his "appearence" many demon princes and other arch fiends are 'cast down' even though clearly they've had influence before. Thirdly, I just think the idea of an over-god in a world FILLED with numerous ones is dumb. The only good thing Ao did was have Bane die and then Bane become reborn as a better LE god.

So? Just because you have a forge doesn't mean you can't forge a living thing. Corean did it, I'm sure there are other example in other mythologies. I don't see why Gond, in his power of creation and invention, couldn't create a god forge for people wishing to be gods.

And it's not true. Some believe that the Lord of Blades is a deity. (Not me mind you but there you are) Plus there's Nalthalos, who was living but now is essentially a cyborg/mechanical god.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

He's a useless contrivence

If you say so.

and also is considered by some to be like "Oh if Ao says no..."

-Ao +DM

Here. Good tool for DMs to stop useless discussions dead: It won't happen. Ao forbade it.

You can also use the Anvil/ Frozen Cow from Outer Space, but it's nice not to have to resort to breaking the 4th wall.

Secondly because of his "appearence" many demon princes and other arch fiends are 'cast down' even though clearly they've had influence before.

Why do I think of the name Orcus here?

Thirdly, I just think the idea of an over-god in a world FILLED with numerous ones is dumb.

Let's just agree to disagree here. No way I can convince you that it's a neat idea, you can't convince me that it's dumb. Leave it at that.

The only good thing Ao did was have Bane die and then Bane become reborn as a better LE god.

He's not NG. He's ordered to keep the balance.

So? Just because you have a forge doesn't mean you can't forge a living thing.

It's not because of the forge. It's because of Gond. He's not interested in living things. He's interested in tech. Gond's God Forge would be a useless contrivance.

And it's not true. Some believe that the Lord of Blades is a deity. (Not me mind you but there you are) Plus there's Nalthalos, who was living but now is essentially a cyborg/mechanical god.

Lord of what? Nalthalos who? What FR supplement are they in? I don't care about Eberron. They can have nice fiends and robogods and magical trains and whatever they want, it doesn't mean that these things exist in the Realms. If you want to talk about other campaign settings, fine. Open another thread about Eberron or some dead Campaign World and I'm sure people will talk to you. But we're talking about the Realms. I don't see any mechanical gods in the Realms. We are not Borg.

 

[Nightfall]

I do say so and sure we can agree to disagree. But for me, first thing to go in an FR game, is Ao and his whole "balance" thing. If I want balance, I balance it myself. And no by good thing I meant Ao did something smart for once by having Bane take a hard look at himself and let Cyric go nuts.

As for Gond's forge being a useless contrivence, well maybe the player and the DM would disagree. Perhaps they think "Hey maybe gond things creating new gods might not only liven things up a bit BUT allow for more creative approaching in creating stuff."

I'll leave out the other places, but the fact is FR is a comnogmarate of various real worth mythos. Perhaps something from that would allow Gond to create his god forge. Or maybe seek the aid of someone similiar to Gond.

 

[FrostedMini1337]

Update: found out interesting info. That deity of psionics? Not actually dead, just near death. In fact my group can pretty much decide wether he lives or dies, and if we choose to kill him off, the gm will most likely elevate one of us.

As for the whole Gond thing: he's the deity of smithwork, and forging a deity seems pretty up there in terms of smithing. I don't mean a literal forge btw. I mean Gond makes a perfect sphere forged of mithral, and inside we throw the dead husk of Auppenser, some qunitessence, have a character sit inside, and throw it to the nexus of the positive energy plane and viola! New deity (or dead PC)! It'd be a triumph over magic and whatnot.

 

[Nightfall]

What ever works man.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Update: found out interesting info. That deity of psionics? Not actually dead, just near death. In fact my group can pretty much decide wether he lives or dies, and if we choose to kill him off, the gm will most likely elevate one of us.

So what do you want? Do you want him back? This could get you all Favoured or even Chosen status. It would probably also meaning going on an epic quest to find a cure for the dying god.

Or do you want to be gods yourselves? In that case you "just" have to finish him off. I don't know how much power he has left, but this would probably mean epic challenge. After that, you have to decide who'll be the most suited candidate. This ascendancy candidate than might have to find a way to usurp that power - don't expect Ao to just wink you on in. There might be artifacts to be found, quests to be taken to show your worth (probably psi related), or a divine sponsor to be petitioned (which might also include tests).

That sponsor might be Gond who tasks you to bring back special materials so he can build a machine that drains the divine power from the dead god and infuses you with it. Gond might do it for the excuse to build said machine, but he won't be a suitable overlord after, as he doesn't give a damn about psionics - they're not techy.

It might be Oghma tasking you to find the Words that will make you God of the Hidden Art (much like truenames, those words would be unique to the situation: Character X attempting to take Portfolio Y from Dead Deity Z). Oghma would fit thematically as both knowledge and psi are things of the mind.

It might be Mystra, who hopes to gain indirect control over the Hidden Art, so it won't fall into the wrong hands, like Talos or Cyric.

 

[FrostedMini1337]

I'm not sure what to do. Someone told me that he would be dead, but mystra (one of the old ones) sent him in to a slumber to prevent psionics from disappearing all together. I'm not really sure how that would happen, but I'm afraid it may.

Which leaves reviving him. It's said in most sources I've found that if psionics gain more people again, he'll regain conscious (and is doing so right now). This wouldn't be difficult.

We're going to be going to Oghmas home plane to use his library, which is open to the public as our characters have come to understand. After the other character and I get our personal stuff looked up, we're gonna try and find out if there is any precedent for this sort of thing, and that'll pretty much let the GM decide what happens. (Acccording to the ancient tome you find, the only way to trult revive a deity whos lost so much power is to......)

 

[Nightfall]

Just because they have a dead god in tow doesn't mean they have to do anything. In fact they could just make themselves a new god without killing the one before them. It does happen you know.

FM,

It's entirely up to you. But I would suggest killing lots of Cyricists and Sharrans. They don't deserve much life.