I need help choosing a Prc

[Quickbeam]

Of the choices listed, I prefer Red Wizard to Loremaster without question. If your character is more of a bookworm type, though, the Loremaster may provide more roleplaying entertainment for you.

I understand your reluctance to choose a prohibited school with the Red Wizard, but given the fact your PC is a necromancer, there are several schools you'd be fine without: Illusion; Divination; Enchantment. Truth be told, I find it interesting and challenging to make specialist wizards who are forced to work around their prohibited schools, but that's just me .

 

[Umbran]

Umbran, I do think though he wants some choices.

*Shrug* Sorry if I tend to follow the DMG's way of things, but it really is his DM's job to provide the choices. If the DM hasn't specifically put the PrC in, it's not supposed to be available. I think DM's that say, "Oh, whatever you can find" are shirking their jobs.

And not taking a prestige class is one of the choices. It isn't like he must have one. By mentioning it, mayhaps I've gotten him to consider what he might do without one.

 

[hong]

Btw, Neo, like your sig. I personally though perfer: The lion sings and the Hills take flight, the sun by day and the moon by night. blind woman, deaf man, jackdawl fool, let the lord of Chaos rule.

Or my other favorite:
blood feeds blood
blood calls blood
blood is, blood was and blood shall ever be
Now the Great Lord comes.

Worst. Haikus. Evar.


Hong "have I said this before?" Ooi

 

[Nightfall]

*Shrug* Sorry if I tend to follow the DMG's way of things, but it really is his DM's job to provide the choices. If the DM hasn't specifically put the PrC in, it's not supposed to be available. I think DM's that say, "Oh, whatever you can find" are shirking their jobs.

And not taking a prestige class is one of the choices. It isn't like he must have one. By mentioning it, mayhaps I've gotten him to consider what he might do without one.

Where in the DMG did it say that Dm is shirking his job for letting him take a pr-class if he feels the need? He may want BECAUSE it suits it characters. You can't make judgements on someone just because you feel there's a volume of Pr-classes flooding the market and that many Dms seem not to care. It's HIS character not yours. Perhaps he HAS considered it. Maybe he felt otherwise. I don't know, and neither do you. So I say, just answer his question.

Btw, Hong. It's bad hakiu but it was a great scene!

 

[Larry Fitz]

PrC's, Are they wrong, or just plain evil?

I like PrC's that fill a niche, like Bounty Hunter (an 'Urban Ranger' designed to hunt men, not monsters) or The Arcane Archer (Elves are sensitive to magic and literature portrays them as phenomenally talented with bows, seems a natural) but the point to PrC's is that the majority of characters in a game world aren't in them. By being focused on being a Necromancer you are already fairly marginalized, do you really need to go further in that direction? I believe Umbran's point was that DM's who just agree to let PC's use anything they can find in Print are being lazy (I LIKE Monte Cook's Alternative Ranger, but I read every word twice and tweaked one or two things before allowing it to be used in my campaign). I agree with the sage and sapient Umbran, I suspect he has fine taste in cigars, foreign automobiles and restaurants that serve baby-back ribs as well, but of course I have a rich imagination...

You can be a Necromancer with some great Magical item creation feats or other metamagic feats that still enhance your 'creepiness'. For instance have Animate Dead as a Quickened spell so that as soon as you kill a foe, he rises in your service... Take Silent Spell so you get the added creepiness of being quiet as the grave when you cast, get Vampiric Touch as a Signature Spell (you are in FR right?) and then wear gloves all the time, because your very touch has become a thing of Necromantic Power. You can create a unique character without a PrC if you really want to, perhaps it is the term "Prestige Class" which causes this problem, becauise they are thought of as prestigious, PC's think that the only way to be playing a cool higher level character is to play a PrC.... Just my thoughts on the subject...


"But Professor, what's to keep him from turning ME into a toad?"
-Andy, the Professor's young ward just moments before the 'incident'.

 

[Plane Sailing]

Re: PrC's, Are they wrong, or just plain evil?

For instance have Animate Dead as a Quickened spell so that as soon as you kill a foe, he rises in your service... Take Silent Spell so you get the added creepiness of being quiet as the grave when you cast, get Vampiric Touch as a Signature Spell (you are in FR right?) and then wear gloves all the time, because your very touch has become a thing of Necromantic Power.

Larry, you've got some *excellent* ideas there. They are so stolen

 

[Larry Fitz]

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[Larry Fitz]

Mutual Admiration

Just Perused your site for your campaign Plane, you've got some good ideas there, I particularly like your alternative view on Charisma, it reflects how I always felt about that attribute but I've never Rule Zeroed it like you did. I personally think the regular Fighter Class would be prevalent everywhere, and I think in general Favored Enemy should not be a regional feat because it is such a mainstay of the Ranger class. It's not just a damage bonus, it also involves Bluff, Listen, Sense Motive, Spot, and Tracking, it is indicative of dedication and training that is beyond the general populace of an area IMHO. Even with that reservation I love how you organized the geography and Regional flavors, I would love to see a political structure section added to the Nations and Societies section... like "Singh is a Theocracy based on the worship and church structure of the Asuran church..." Or some such...

 

[Hand of Evil]

What does your DM say?

I ask because prestige classes for the game are picked by them for balance and story of the game.

Work with the DM, he/she may have other choices and thoughts on direction of your character.


Personally, I would push you to Hunter of the Dead.

 

[Hulkamaniac]

Hand of Evil-

What does your DM say?

I ask because prestige classes for the game are picked by them for balance and story of the game.

Work with the DM, he/she may have other choices and thoughts on direction of your character.


Personally, I would push you to Hunter of the Dead.

Well the thing is that these characters (the ones in the campaign) are the first characters we ever had(in 2E, where we started) and the DM that ran that game is in the Army now and we agreed to pick the game back up.

We are fairly attached to our characters (well, me and the DM, who will be trading off DMing with another player in the group) and exercise a certain bit of "creative control", also these characters were well respected and "In-game" I wouldnt have an awful hard time joining the Red Wizards because my "Master/Mentor was a fairly high-ranking Red Wizard himself and I am by far experienced enough"

To quell the people saying I just want to take a Prc for power, I am trying to find a good one that will enhance the feel of Kaul(my character), be it Religious or Political.

Also, I would like to thank "Nightfall" for taking up for me in my absence, I would have posted sooner, but these boards don't seem to like me . Always too busy.

And to mostly end this discussion, I'm problably going to go with the Red Wizard, because it would be expected of me(my character) by my Master.

Long live the Lords of Tilverton