I need help sorting the MM by real world culture

"Most of course have a unique D&D spin (I've never heard of the regenerating-from-pulp troll outside of D&D). "

Check out a book called "Three Hearts and Three Lions" by Poul Anderson. 1st edition DMG lists it as one of the books that inspired the game. The troll as it exists in D&D is totally ripped off from there ... as are the Paladin and the Gnome. And later, the Swanmay. It's also a really good read.
 

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Dogbrain said:
And was destroyed merely by being sprinkled with a handful holy water wielded by a girl.

Actually, it was defeated by a handful of holy water wielded by a girl, along with the sign of the cross. It was destroyed when she led it peacefully into the village and the townsfolk beat it to death with sticks and rocks.

That's even less dignified.

Demiurge out.
 

And actually, it's Tarrasque|/u], and |u]Tarascon. Googling with these names will give you lot of mythical answers, while googling for Tarasque or Terasque will yield only D&D results.

The girl in question was St. Martha.

You could give the Tarasque damage reduction of 100/stones and sticks, I guess.


Also, the D&D Gorgon is not that far-fetched. The Greeks had a creature called Catoblepas (which exists in D&D as well), and tales of the catoblepas birthed the D&D gorgon as it travelled. The catoblepas' lethal gaze was likened to that of Gorgon, creating the confusion.

Finally, the Hippogriff are generally traced back to a 16th century poem entitled Orlando furioso, by Ludovico Ariosto.
 

How about this (creatures marked with * are ones I'm fairly certain are where their supposed to be. Those without * are just guesses and have yet to be confirmed by more then one source, or any source at all):

Greek:
*Catoblepas (from MM2)
*Centaur
*Chimera
*Cockatrice/basalisk (use Cockatrice stats)
*Cyclops (from deities and demigods)
*Dire Boar
*Dire Lion
*Diomedes Horse (use stats for Heavy Warhorse, but they are carnivorous)
*Dragon (what type(s)?)
*Dryad (forest Nymph)
Eagle, Giant (an entire species related to the one that eats the liver of Prometheus)
Elementals
*Erinyes (generic Furies. The named ones can be NPCs)
*Faun (from deities and demigods)
*Giant, Hill
Gnomes (PC race) (I know they aren't greek, but I'm using the D&D gnomes who are scientists and inventors)
*Gorgon (a species of Gorgon using the MEdusa stats from the MM. The named Gorgons can be NPCs)
*Griffon
*Harpy
*Hecatoncheires (Epic Level Handbook)
*Hippogriff
*Hound of Hecate (from OGL Ancients)
*Hydra
Ketos (from OGL Ancients)
*Lycanthrope, Werewolf (from OGL Ancients)
*Manticore
*Minotaur
*Nymph (from OGL Ancients)
*Pegasus
*Peryton (from Monsters of Faerun)
*Satyr
*Siren (from OGL Ancients)
*Skeleton
*Sphinx, Gynosphinx
*Stirge
*Titan
*Triton (from OGL Ancients)
*Stymphalian Birds (homemade creature)
*Hippocampus (I think there were stats for this thing at one time. I'll have to try to find it again)

Egyptian:
*Beetle, Scarab (from Ravenloft. Has stats for flesh burrowing scarabs and giant scarabs)
*Dire Hyena (use stats for Dire Wolf)
Dragonne
Giant Praying Mantis
*Golem, Clay
Golem, Stone
*Griffon (Assyrian)
*Lammasu (Assyrian)
Lich
*Lycanthrope, Werejackal (from Ravenloft)
*Lycanthrope, Werewolf (from OGL Ancients. These are actually good creatures, not evil)
Monstrous Scorpion
*Mummy (from either Ravenloft or OGL Ancients)
Scorpion Man (Babylonian?) (Stingers from Monsters of Faerun)
Skeleton
*Sphinx, Androsphinx
*Sphinx, Criosphinx
*Swarm, Scarab (from Fiend Folio)
Yuan-ti
Zombie, Desert (from Ravenloft)
*Serpopard (homemade creature)
*Ammit (homemade creature)

Norse:
Dire Wolf
Dragon (White and Red? Definately one Red for Fafnir)
*Dwarf (PC race)
*Dwarf, Duergar
*Gnome, Svirfneblin (Scandinavian?)
*Giant, Fire
*Giant, Frost
*Kraken (Scandinavian)
Linnorm (from MM2)
Lycanthrope, Werebear
Sprite, Nixie (often chaotic)
Troll (use Ogre stats. Turns to stone if exposed to sunlight for -1CR)
Winter Wolf
Worg
Zombie
Troll (use stats for Ogres but with a turn to stone if exposed to sunlight special quality)

Celtic:
No fuggin clue. I need lots of help to sort this one out. Maybe I should just stick with fairy-like creatures (Sprites, Sylph, etc.), Fomorian, and banshee (I know they aren't supposed to be evil, but they're more fun as the MM2 version). It think there may be a few others that would fit here.

Arabian:
*Genie
*Ghast
*Ghoul
*Phoenix (remove spell-like abilities and reduce CR by 2-3?) (can be found in Egypt when it is dying and reborn)
*Roc
*Amphiptere (flying snake. I think there are stats for this somewhere)

Persian:
Griffon (apparently)
*Senmurv (from Fiend Folio)

Creatures I know go somewhere but can't place:
Hybsil (from MM2)
Lamia (the MM ones, not The Lamia from Greek mythology)
Leucrocuta (from Monsters of Faerun)
Sea Drake (from Fiend Folio)
Wyvern

There are a bunch of other creatures I'm not sure of, but I don't know if I should list them here or just wait for someone else to mention them.
 
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Heh, I found a little gem here:
Senmurv--dog-headed, barking eagle in Persian folklore.

And I thought, when I saw them in the FF, that they were the result of mushroom abuse, and named by punching the keyboard with both hands...
 

Shadowdragon said:
How about this (creatures marked with * are ones I'm fairly certain are where their supposed to be. Those without * are just guesses):

Norse:
Dire Wolf
Dragon

They're also English. Have people completely forgotten that English culture had any sort of myth and wonder?

*Dwarf, Duergar

Two ways of spelling the same word, actually, also appeared a lot in southern German cultures.

Elemental, Air (attacks do cold damage equal to ½ slam damage)
Elemental, Fire (more intelligent than standard)

The "Four Elements" were far more Greek and Hellenistic (also Mesopotamian, maybe Egyptian, etc) and utterly inappropriate for northern European cultures before the Middle Ages. Indeed, this is how one can easily spot a bogus pretender who claims to do some sort of "ancient Celtic" mumbletyjumbo: They get into "four elements" of the Greek (earth, air, fire, water) variety. Irish and Continental Celts seemed to prefer an ancient fivefold division.


Which would be any giant--actually. I recall no mention of a whole race of two-headed giants in Norse tales. Multi-headed giants are generally of Medieval or Renaissance storytelling.

*Troll (No regeneration, turn to stone if exposed to sunlight. -2CR ?)

Except that the Norse troll was more of a "big hulking brute"--far closer to the D&D ogre than the D&D troll.

Frost Worm
*Kraken
Mephit, Fire
Mephit, Ice
Mephit, Magma
*Snow Ape (use Dire Ape stats)

This is quite a modern stretch. Mephits are obviously from Renaissance European alchemy, likely with Arabic antecedents. No apes nor tales of apes in Norse mythology. Likewise, no big worms as distinct from dragons.

Celtic:
Arak (Unseelie fey from Ravenloft)

The "unseelie" did not exist in Gaelic or other Celtic folklore. The Unseelie were part of English folklore. Contrary to the foolishness of low-grade fantasy authors, Celts (of whatever stripe) did not invent "fey" (even the word, "fey", by the way, is of purely Germanic origin, not in the least bit Celtic), nor is it exclusive to them. If it's unseelie, it's English/Germanic.

*Banshee (from MM2)

Except that the Bean Sidhe was considered to be a good spirit--a guardian who warned a family of impending danger. Her wail FORETOLD misfortune--WARNED of it. She did not CAUSE it.


Elemental

Elementals are a product of Greek philosophy filtered through Renaissance and post-Renaissance "natural philosophy.

*Firbolg (from MM2) (evil?)
*Fomorian (from MM2)

The Firbolg were just another set of human tribes in Ireland. They were distinguished by having dark hair, sallow skin, and being much shorter than the Milesians. They were also known as the Érainn, Euerni, Iverni, or Belgae (interesting, given the existence of a Celtic tribe of similar name on the Continent). Current Firbolg septs include Ó Gorman, Ó Laighin (Lyons), Ó Driscoll.
The Fomorians are similar.


All cultures' myths are replete with creatures that resemble D&D "Hags".

Jermlaine (from MM2)
Sprite

Most likely English origin. Sprites and Pixies are only found in English folktales.

Sylph (from MM2)

Latin or English origin


Medieval French, if any source can be pinned down. It also may have been a Latin or Greek legend.

*Will-O-Wisp

Probably of English or Scottish/English borderer (mixed culture) origin. One tipoff is the extremely NON-Gaelic and NON-"Celtic" use of "o" for "of". This is an English practice. The "Ó" in Irish names like "Ó Brien" is NOT a contraction of "of", it is a variant spelling of "Ua", which means "descendents". This, by the way, is also why "Ó Brien" is correct spelling and "O'Brien" is not.
 

Dogbrain said:
Norse:
Dire Wolf
Dragon

They're also English. Have people completely forgotten that English culture had any sort of myth and wonder?

Endland didn't exist in the time period I'm making these lists for, it was all Celtic. I'm not interested in cultures or creatures that aren't part of the ancient world.

Dwarf, Duergar
Two ways of spelling the same word, actually, also appeared a lot in southern German cultures.

Did Germany exist in ancient times? Or was it all just part of some other culture, like the Norse/Scandenavians? Anyway, I just meant that Duergar, or evil dwarves, will be a creature available for use in adventures. "Good" dwarves will be a PC race that are almost exclucively Norse. Humans will also be Norse, along with most other cultures. I'm also planning on making Elves Celts, just because it's different from the normal High Elf stereotype.

Ettin
Which would be any giant--actually. I recall no mention of a whole race of two-headed giants in Norse tales. Multi-headed giants are generally of Medieval or Renaissance storytelling.

I wasn't actually sure of this one anyway. If they are a much later legend, or just a term to describe normal giants, then they are off the list.

Arak (Unseelie fey from Ravenloft)
The "unseelie" did not exist in Gaelic or other Celtic folklore. The Unseelie were part of English folklore. Contrary to the foolishness of low-grade fantasy authors, Celts (of whatever stripe) did not invent "fey" (even the word, "fey", by the way, is of purely Germanic origin, not in the least bit Celtic), nor is it exclusive to them. If it's unseelie, it's English/Germanic.

*Banshee (from MM2)
Except that the Bean Sidhe was considered to be a good spirit--a guardian who warned a family of impending danger. Her wail FORETOLD misfortune--WARNED of it. She did not CAUSE it.

Jermlaine (from MM2)
Sprite
Most likely English origin. Sprites and Pixies are only found in English folktales.

Sylph (from MM2)
Latin or English origin

Unicorn
Medieval French, if any source can be pinned down. It also may have been a Latin or Greek legend.

*Will-O-Wisp
Probably of English or Scottish/English borderer (mixed culture) origin. One tipoff is the extremely NON-Gaelic and NON-"Celtic" use of "o" for "of". This is an English practice. The "Ó" in Irish names like "Ó Brien" is NOT a contraction of "of", it is a variant spelling of "Ua", which means "descendents". This, by the way, is also why "Ó Brien" is correct spelling and "O'Brien" is not.

Crap, there goes most of my celtic creatures. I thought they were heavy into spirits and fey creatures. Oh well, I guess I have more research to do on what kinds of mythic creatures the ancient celts actually had.

*Firbolg (from MM2) (evil?)
*Fomorian (from MM2)
The Firbolg were just another set of human tribes in Ireland. They were distinguished by having dark hair, sallow skin, and being much shorter than the Milesians. They were also known as the Érainn, Euerni, Iverni, or Belgae (interesting, given the existence of a Celtic tribe of similar name on the Continent). Current Firbolg septs include Ó Gorman, Ó Laighin (Lyons), Ó Driscoll.
The Fomorians are similar.

The descriptions I read said that Firbolg and Fomorians were brutish, evil, giants. I'll have to find the web site I found those descriptions on.
 

The Hecatoncheires (Epic Level Handbook) are from Greek Legend. According to Greek legend, they were the offspring of Uranus and Gaia. They disgusted Uranus so much that they were locked in Tartarus.
 

The Umber Hulk and the Rust Monster come from ancient Etruscan myths. And the Modron come from, uuuh, old American Indian legends. No, really! :p ;)
 

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