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Khelon Testudo

Cleric of Stronmaus
I think there is a limit on the new jobs front. As machines get smarter, they'll be able to take on the new jobs their employment creates. Thinking otherwise implies human intellect is infinite, which is demonstrably untrue.
 

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Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
I think there is a limit on the new jobs front. As machines get smarter, they'll be able to take on the new jobs their employment creates. Thinking otherwise implies human intellect is infinite, which is demonstrably untrue.

On the other hand, there is so far no evidence that machines will ever reach human levels of cognition, either.

My understanding is that to date, automation has the net effect of creating jobs. Unfortunately, there's a retraining problem - the folks who were doing the menial tasks automation takes on don't shift directly into the more highly trained jobs created.
 

Janx

Hero
On the other hand, there is so far no evidence that machines will ever reach human levels of cognition, either.

My understanding is that to date, automation has the net effect of creating jobs. Unfortunately, there's a retraining problem - the folks who were doing the menial tasks automation takes on don't shift directly into the more highly trained jobs created.

that's always the problem. Not everybody is suited to be a nurse or a programmer (presumably the last 2 jobs that may be left to humanity before the end).

And we have yet to ensure everybody gets education they'd like to have (for a trade). Let alone retrain people.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
that's always the problem. Not everybody is suited to be a nurse or a programmer (presumably the last 2 jobs that may be left to humanity before the end).

Well, let us unpack that "unsuited" bit. The fact is that those jobs do get filled. It isn't like we are creating hordes of new jobs that nobody is "suited" to take on.

What we get is a generational phenomenon - new workers train into those jobs just fine. Older workers don't retrain for those jobs.
 

Aeson

Adventurer

I refer to her as her and she because of the female appearance and voice.

Some of the comments asks if she created the speech or was it scripted. I wondered that myself. At times her head movements look like she's attempting to make eye contact with different audience members, which is a public speaking technique.
 

Eyes of Nine

Everything's Fine

I refer to her as her and she because of the female appearance and voice.

Some of the comments asks if she created the speech or was it scripted. I wondered that myself. At times her head movements look like she's attempting to make eye contact with different audience members, which is a public speaking technique.
Wow, that's pretty creepy. Sorry Aida...
 



Mustrum_Ridcully

Adventurer
I mean, ultimately, hasn't a goal of technological advancement always been to make things easier for us humans?

The problem is mostly that our system still relies on everyone having a "job" to get a "living wage". If we didn't need that because the machines produce enough of the basic stuff we need anyway and the economical system would reflect that, it would be a lot less of a problem. It wouldn't necessarily remove class problems - the people that don't have a job might still have "less" than the ones that do have a job - but as long as they have housing, food, medical care, sanitation and decent entertainment and leisure options, it wouldn't be such a big deal.

But maybe there is a "counter"-element that we didn't account for in our technological progress - people actually might seek having a purpose. And a job is very easy way to feel you have a purpose. In that case, you still need to provide some kind of job - but maybe it doesn't matter that much if its as "productive" as some AI-robot-factory-machine-thing.
 

Aeson

Adventurer
Our purpose would then become.


Yeah, I know, easier said than done. It's a silly dream I still hold out hope for.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
I mean, ultimately, hasn't a goal of technological advancement always been to make things easier for us humans?

In a word - No.

Technological advancement is generally about making things cheaper and faster - be it producing books, cotton, woven fabric, information transfer, or what have you. That things become easier for humans is usually a secondary result, often only apparent a generation after a technology is created.
 

GMMichael

Guide of Modos
I think they are trying to get us all hooked on video games, and then virtual reality, and then we'll all retreat into that virtual reality, thereby voluntarily moving into a simulation. In particular as we die, instead of dying being the end, we'll just simply upload our consciousness into the "machine".
I hope you didn't type and send this post from a smartphone.
 





Ryujin

Adventurer
In a word - No.

Technological advancement is generally about making things cheaper and faster - be it producing books, cotton, woven fabric, information transfer, or what have you. That things become easier for humans is usually a secondary result, often only apparent a generation after a technology is created.

And the growing concentration of wealth in the very few just means that as tech grows, and people aren't needed to tend to daily business, things are going to start to look more and more like "Ready Player One."
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Pff, how do you know he's not a smartphone himself?

On the internet, nobody knows that you're actually a dog.

I played that game - it was set in a virtual reality space, in which one of the characters was the badass head of a mercenary company. What nobody knew was that in meatspace, she was an awakened dog with her pack.
 


Bohandas

Adventurer
But maybe there is a "counter"-element that we didn't account for in our technological progress - people actually might seek having a purpose. And a job is very easy way to feel you have a purpose. In that case, you still need to provide some kind of job - but maybe it doesn't matter that much if its as "productive" as some AI-robot-factory-machine-thing.

Or, you know, you could just find a purpose in a hobby or friends or something actually enjoyable instead of actively making yourself miserable.

A world where nobody has to work is my vision of paradise

And the growing concentration of wealth in the very few just means that as tech grows, and people aren't needed to tend to daily business, things are going to start to look more and more like "Ready Player One."

With any luck at all, as people become unneded to tend to daily business the idea that people should be need to have "jobs" in order to get money should naturally break down.
 
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