Ideas for a too-multiclassed character

[Quartz]

In another thread, I spotted an interesting class called the Swiftblade which seems a good fit. Either Bard 7 / Sb 5 or Rog 2 / Wiz 5 / Sb 5 or Rog 2 / Sor 6 / Sb 5 might be more suitable (you want Rog 2 for Evasion and the BAB). An interesting variant would be Mk 2 / Wiz 5 / Sb 5.

 

[Hyperfist]

After taking 2 levels of Abjurant Champion, she can qualify for this class. If she continue to be a mage/rogue type, this is not a bad choice indeed. Don't forget to take Practiced Spellcaster feat anyway.

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Depending on how far you want to take Abjurant Champion, if you take the entire 5 level progression you will get the martial arcanist ability which allows you to use your BAB as your Caster Level. So based on those two things, very difficult to dispel with a Shield spell that gives a +9 shield bonus. And being able to swiftly cast Abj. 2nd level and below. Or do you round up? Which would be 3rd level.

 

[Shin Okada]

Depending on how far you want to take Abjurant Champion, if you take the entire 5 level progression you will get the martial arcanist ability which allows you to use your BAB as your Caster Level. So based on those two things, very difficult to dispel with a Shield spell that gives a +9 shield bonus. And being able to swiftly cast Abj. 2nd level and below. Or do you round up? Which would be 3rd level.

It will depend on if the party can have another rogue or scout. Going straight up to Abjurant Champ 5 will make her stronger, and I will vote for it as she is an elf (it is basically a bad idea to play a smaller hd classes with a low-con race).

But, if she wants to fill the party's rogue role by herself, or if no additional character will be added to the party, I would suggest her to stop taking Abjurant Champion at L2 and then switch to Arcane Trickster. The party need a rogue for dungeon delving.

 

[Folly]

It will depend on if the party can have another rogue or scout. Going straight up to Abjurant Champ 5 will make her stronger, and I will vote for it as she is an elf (it is basically a bad idea to play a smaller hd classes with a low-con race).

But, if she wants to fill the party's rogue role by herself, or if no additional character will be added to the party, I would suggest her to stop taking Abjurant Champion at L2 and then switch to Arcane Trickster. The party need a rogue for dungeon delving.

She can always choose to cross class the skills to keep searched maxed out. With solid casting on both arcane and divine, there are plenty of methods of dealing with traps once the trap is found. Not to mention with about 5k gold you can get +10 on search checks to find traps.

I wouldn't suggest taking more rogue, if she wants to become more of a caster. The PrCs people have already mentioned are a good suggestion. I have always liked taking a few levels Unseen Seer on arcane rogue builds. The ability to cast both Grave Strike and Golem Strike in addition to another sneak attack die makes that class amasing for dipping. The catch is the skill requirements.

I would retrain the ranger levels into Abjurant Champion and Unseen Seer, but the requirements might be difficult.

If she does end up going abjurant champion, you might want to see if your DM will allow Illuminous Armor spell from Book of Exalted Deeds. It is one of the few adjuration spells that gives armor other than shield (though any DM in there right mind shouldn't whole sale this spell EVER)

 

[Shin Okada]

She can always choose to cross class the skills to keep searched maxed out.

It will depend largely on how high her Int is. As she is a sorcerer and not wizard, I don't expect to have high enough int to take several cross-class skills at useful level.

 

[Folly]

The only skill that is necessary to fulfill the trapfinding roll is search. Now given this means that she needs to have at least a 10 int.

 

[Shin Okada]

Depending on how far you want to take Abjurant Champion, if you take the entire 5 level progression you will get the martial arcanist ability which allows you to use your BAB as your Caster Level. So based on those two things, very difficult to dispel with a Shield spell that gives a +9 shield bonus. And being able to swiftly cast Abj. 2nd level and below. Or do you round up? Which would be 3rd level.

Even with martial arcanist ability, she will end up having caster level = HD -3, because her BAB is at least 3 lower than her HDs (-1 due to 3 to 4 levels in rogue, -2 due to 4 levels in Sorcerer). So, Practiced Spellcaster feat still helps. It is always a good idea to max-out one's caster level, especially when one is depending largely upon buffing spells.

 

[Shin Okada]

The only skill that is necessary to fulfill the trapfinding roll is search. Now given this means that she needs to have at least a 10 int.

But I guess she also want Disable Trap, Tumble, Concentration, Spellcraft and such, too.

 

[Folly]

But I guess she also want Disable Trap, Tumble, Concentration, Spellcraft and such, too.

I agree on tumble since the OP said that she like the dex-y stuff. But you dont need Disable Trap, or Spellcraft. Concentration would be a definite boon since she will be in melee casting spells.

Disable Trap can be mitigating by spells / adventuring ingenuity.
Spellcraft is a completely optional skill. Useful but not necessary.

 

[Shin Okada]

I agree on tumble since the OP said that she like the dex-y stuff. But you dont need Disable Trap, or Spellcraft. Concentration would be a definite boon since she will be in melee casting spells.

Disable Trap can be mitigating by spells / adventuring ingenuity.
Spellcraft is a completely optional skill. Useful but not necessary.

There are many situations which only Disable Trap skill solves the problem. Many traps are mechanical rather than to be magical. And breaking it or taking another rout may not be good options. And many official modules protect walls and such from spells (Deadly non-magical trap in Anti-Magic Field or similar situation is, indeed, loved by many official adventure writers).

Regarding Spellcraft, it is good to accretion which spell the villain is casting, especially it is good if the rogue/mage type is using Listen skill. Also, with new MIC rule, combination of Detect Magic and good Spellcraft skill can identify magic items. It is great.

Also, if she is the only Rogue or Ranger type in the party, she would better keep other skills such as Listen and Spot in good level.