hécatonchire
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other way, the check for surpass SR (d20+caster level+ any bonus) become 1d20 +ecl+ any bonus and that's it ^^
Immortals Handbook - Grimoire (Artifacts, Epic Magic discussion)
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Upper_Krust
Legend
hécatonchire said:
Bonsoir hécatonchire mon ami!
Thats why I suggested the +4 bonus rather than the +2.
4 levels of metamagic effectively halve the power of a spell.
Therefore a difference of 20 points of Spell resistance would be an effective decrease to 1/6th the original spells power assuming a +2 difference per spell level.
Whereas it would be only a reduction to 1/3rd for a +4 difference per spell level.
Alzrius
The EN World kitten
I was the editor for the 3.5 IH books, and monsters' spell resistance is one area where I really fell down.
What happened was that I tied the caster level of monsters' spell-like abilities to their Hit Dice (plus their divine bonus to caster level, if any). Once I'd established that, I then - for internal consistency - gave monsters spell resistance equal to that caster level +10, so that two of the same sort of monster would have a roughly equal chance of stopping each other's spell-like abilities.
Of course, hecatonchire's experience shows the major flaw in this reasoning: that it made for spell resistance scores that were far and away above the listed CR for many monsters.
In hindsight, the correct thing to do was identify a monster's CR, and give them spell resistance equal to their CR +11 (since the attacker wins ties). Then, set their caster level for their spell-like abilities so that it was equal to their CR (thus giving them a 50% chance of defeating the spell resistance of another monster of their kind). This seems obvious in hindsight, since there's no rule stating that the caster level for spell-like abilities needs to be tied to Hit Dice.
Anyway, that's the change I recommend making to the IH Bestiary monsters.
What happened was that I tied the caster level of monsters' spell-like abilities to their Hit Dice (plus their divine bonus to caster level, if any). Once I'd established that, I then - for internal consistency - gave monsters spell resistance equal to that caster level +10, so that two of the same sort of monster would have a roughly equal chance of stopping each other's spell-like abilities.
Of course, hecatonchire's experience shows the major flaw in this reasoning: that it made for spell resistance scores that were far and away above the listed CR for many monsters.
In hindsight, the correct thing to do was identify a monster's CR, and give them spell resistance equal to their CR +11 (since the attacker wins ties). Then, set their caster level for their spell-like abilities so that it was equal to their CR (thus giving them a 50% chance of defeating the spell resistance of another monster of their kind). This seems obvious in hindsight, since there's no rule stating that the caster level for spell-like abilities needs to be tied to Hit Dice.
Anyway, that's the change I recommend making to the IH Bestiary monsters.
hécatonchire
First Post
thank you for your answers, alrzius and krust. i progress step by step to find a balance.
an epic feat giving a +1 lvl for surpass sr every round a spell is attempt against ennemy
and a divine feat giving +1 lvl for surpass sr every spell attempt against ennemy (multiple hasten spell becoming interesting at the start of the combat( as DBZ starting with multiballs and finish with a big big metablast^^))
i ll try this feats and the +4'krust'feat and the alzrius SR
Merci à vous deux ! bonne nuit ^^
an epic feat giving a +1 lvl for surpass sr every round a spell is attempt against ennemy
and a divine feat giving +1 lvl for surpass sr every spell attempt against ennemy (multiple hasten spell becoming interesting at the start of the combat( as DBZ starting with multiballs and finish with a big big metablast^^))
i ll try this feats and the +4'krust'feat and the alzrius SR
Merci à vous deux ! bonne nuit ^^
Upper_Krust
Legend
Howdy Serienna!
I suspect Unlimited Wish wouldn't require details. It would be a Cosmic Cube/Dragon Ball/Infinity Gauntlet plot device that would be used to rewrite reality.
Anyone casting it should probably become the Dungeon Master.
Serienna said:So now that 4E is at the threshold of death's door and waiting to cross, any further details to what the 3.5 Unlimited Wish would look like?After waiting patiently for a decade now, I'd like to see some details before Krusty's magic book comes out in 2040!
I suspect Unlimited Wish wouldn't require details. It would be a Cosmic Cube/Dragon Ball/Infinity Gauntlet plot device that would be used to rewrite reality.
Anyone casting it should probably become the Dungeon Master.
Upper_Krust
Legend
Hey there Serienna!
That sounds a bit early for my magic book to be honest.
I think Alzrius already answered this (cheers mate). In effect Unlimited Wish is just that...Unlimited. Hypothetically its use may well create a completely new parallel universe (with whatever changes you desire).
Essentially it falls into the same category as Infinite Strength (Omnific Abilities) in that it needs to be countered with a similar or opposing force. So the only way to defend an Unlimited Wish would be another unlimited wish.
As for the level of casting I think in and around Time Lord level power so I am a bit behind on what that would mean in terms of Spell Level or Epic Spell DC although I am sure I have listed comparable effects in Ascension at some juncture.
Obviously with the Ritual Magic I (had) planned that would have been possible at much less than Time Lord power.
Serienna said:So now that 4E is at the threshold of death's door and waiting to cross, any further details to what the 3.5 Unlimited Wish would look like?
That sounds a bit early for my magic book to be honest.
I think Alzrius already answered this (cheers mate). In effect Unlimited Wish is just that...Unlimited. Hypothetically its use may well create a completely new parallel universe (with whatever changes you desire).
Essentially it falls into the same category as Infinite Strength (Omnific Abilities) in that it needs to be countered with a similar or opposing force. So the only way to defend an Unlimited Wish would be another unlimited wish.
As for the level of casting I think in and around Time Lord level power so I am a bit behind on what that would mean in terms of Spell Level or Epic Spell DC although I am sure I have listed comparable effects in Ascension at some juncture.
Obviously with the Ritual Magic I (had) planned that would have been possible at much less than Time Lord power.
Upper_Krust
Legend
Hey Melcar!
There is no Immortals Handbook for 4th Edition and I am not sure I can afford to make one at the moment (since I'd probably be operating at a loss).
I'm honestly not sure what I'm going to do next (beyond the Vampire Bestiaries which I am dragging my heels over - sorry).
I love 4E, but it seems I'm in a minority on that. If I got a few hundred people (200+) wanting one then I'd go ahead.
Other than that, I don't know what to do. I had planned a Pathfinder update to the Epic Bestiary and Ascension, I don't even know if enough people would be interested in that to make it worthwhile).
Any suggestions...?
Melcar said:
There is no Immortals Handbook for 4th Edition and I am not sure I can afford to make one at the moment (since I'd probably be operating at a loss).
I'm honestly not sure what I'm going to do next (beyond the Vampire Bestiaries which I am dragging my heels over - sorry).
I love 4E, but it seems I'm in a minority on that. If I got a few hundred people (200+) wanting one then I'd go ahead.
Other than that, I don't know what to do. I had planned a Pathfinder update to the Epic Bestiary and Ascension, I don't even know if enough people would be interested in that to make it worthwhile).
Any suggestions...?
Khisanth the Ancient
Explorer
Well, don't you have 2 more Vampire Bestiaries planned?
After those, D&D Next may be out, and then you can decide whether to make future work 4E, Pathfinder, or D&D Next.
After those, D&D Next may be out, and then you can decide whether to make future work 4E, Pathfinder, or D&D Next.
