Immortals Handbook - Grimoire (Artifacts, Epic Magic discussion)

[hécatonchire]

other way, the check for surpass SR (d20+caster level+ any bonus) become 1d20 +ecl+ any bonus and that's it ^^

 

[Upper_Krust]

salutations upperkrust ^^

Bonsoir hécatonchire mon ami!

métamagic feats for surpass SR is a good idea! But every time this feat is used spells are less strong. And deities are less feats than an ecl equivalent mortal pcs. The deities'spell may surpass SR but spell are very very less powerful than mortal pcs.

it's true that deities are more polyvalent.

Thats why I suggested the +4 bonus rather than the +2.

4 levels of metamagic effectively halve the power of a spell.

Therefore a difference of 20 points of Spell resistance would be an effective decrease to 1/6th the original spells power assuming a +2 difference per spell level.

Whereas it would be only a reduction to 1/3rd for a +4 difference per spell level.

 

[Alzrius]

I was the editor for the 3.5 IH books, and monsters' spell resistance is one area where I really fell down.

What happened was that I tied the caster level of monsters' spell-like abilities to their Hit Dice (plus their divine bonus to caster level, if any). Once I'd established that, I then - for internal consistency - gave monsters spell resistance equal to that caster level +10, so that two of the same sort of monster would have a roughly equal chance of stopping each other's spell-like abilities.

Of course, hecatonchire's experience shows the major flaw in this reasoning: that it made for spell resistance scores that were far and away above the listed CR for many monsters.

In hindsight, the correct thing to do was identify a monster's CR, and give them spell resistance equal to their CR +11 (since the attacker wins ties). Then, set their caster level for their spell-like abilities so that it was equal to their CR (thus giving them a 50% chance of defeating the spell resistance of another monster of their kind). This seems obvious in hindsight, since there's no rule stating that the caster level for spell-like abilities needs to be tied to Hit Dice.

Anyway, that's the change I recommend making to the IH Bestiary monsters.

 

[hécatonchire]

thank you for your answers, alrzius and krust. i progress step by step to find a balance.
an epic feat giving a +1 lvl for surpass sr every round a spell is attempt against ennemy
and a divine feat giving +1 lvl for surpass sr every spell attempt against ennemy (multiple hasten spell becoming interesting at the start of the combat( as DBZ starting with multiballs and finish with a big big metablast^^))
i ll try this feats and the +4'krust'feat and the alzrius SR

Merci à vous deux ! bonne nuit ^^

 

[Serienna]

So now that 4E is at the threshold of death's door and waiting to cross, any further details to what the 3.5 Unlimited Wish would look like? After waiting patiently for a decade now, I'd like to see some details before Krusty's magic book comes out in 2040!

 

[Upper_Krust]

Howdy Serienna!

So now that 4E is at the threshold of death's door and waiting to cross, any further details to what the 3.5 Unlimited Wish would look like? After waiting patiently for a decade now, I'd like to see some details before Krusty's magic book comes out in 2040!

I suspect Unlimited Wish wouldn't require details. It would be a Cosmic Cube/Dragon Ball/Infinity Gauntlet plot device that would be used to rewrite reality.

Anyone casting it should probably become the Dungeon Master.

 

[Melcar]

Immortal's Handbok

So what is going on with this book? Is it finished?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey there Serienna!

So now that 4E is at the threshold of death's door and waiting to cross, any further details to what the 3.5 Unlimited Wish would look like? After waiting patiently for a decade now, I'd like to see some details before Krusty's magic book comes out in 2040!

That sounds a bit early for my magic book to be honest.

I think Alzrius already answered this (cheers mate). In effect Unlimited Wish is just that...Unlimited. Hypothetically its use may well create a completely new parallel universe (with whatever changes you desire).

Essentially it falls into the same category as Infinite Strength (Omnific Abilities) in that it needs to be countered with a similar or opposing force. So the only way to defend an Unlimited Wish would be another unlimited wish.

As for the level of casting I think in and around Time Lord level power so I am a bit behind on what that would mean in terms of Spell Level or Epic Spell DC although I am sure I have listed comparable effects in Ascension at some juncture.

Obviously with the Ritual Magic I (had) planned that would have been possible at much less than Time Lord power.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Melcar!

So what is going on with this book? Is it finished?

There is no Immortals Handbook for 4th Edition and I am not sure I can afford to make one at the moment (since I'd probably be operating at a loss).

I'm honestly not sure what I'm going to do next (beyond the Vampire Bestiaries which I am dragging my heels over - sorry).

I love 4E, but it seems I'm in a minority on that. If I got a few hundred people (200+) wanting one then I'd go ahead.

Other than that, I don't know what to do. I had planned a Pathfinder update to the Epic Bestiary and Ascension, I don't even know if enough people would be interested in that to make it worthwhile).

Any suggestions...?

 

[Khisanth the Ancient]

Well, don't you have 2 more Vampire Bestiaries planned?

After those, D&D Next may be out, and then you can decide whether to make future work 4E, Pathfinder, or D&D Next.