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[BryonD]

It's not about being a 4E fan or not. I think I was pretty clear about that.

You clearly defined the target of your comments as excluding fans of 4E. I simply expanded your comment to accurately cover everyone.

If that's how Morrus wanted to go--or, for that matter, if he wanted to draw names from 2E, or 1E, or BECMI, or Magic, or White Wolf, or Shadowrun, or Call of Cthulhu, or Monopoly, or Candyland, or Texas Hold 'em, or rock/paper/scissors--I'd be fine with that.

And I as well. I don't really care if they use 4E.

I'm not singling you out as someone who would rant. But you are throwing barbs at the "you don't like 4e" crowd. You didn't single out exceptions or clarify and neither did I.

Both sides have reactionary groups. I'm take issue with you painting everyone not pro-4e with a broad brush and I'm take issue with you presenting the impression that one side is different than the other here.

 

[tuxgeo]

ENWorld Reputation Levels (limited list)

Wow, what do ya know, there's a balance scale below our names
Thanks for pointing that out.

Shows how much I read the meta forum. Which I just read it yesterday for the first time in years. < snip >

Crap, one more question then....I'm just curious since everyone is talking about the titles being 4e related (not a big deal to me even though I play 3.5). But is there a list of what all the titles are for the XP? I'm just curious to see what the names are.

I have compiled an incomplete list over the past several months. I am sure that Morrus and the Admins have the proper answer. Anyway, here's mine:
[Two examples of having no Level listed]
-- " can only hope to improve " (was awarded to one user a while ago)
-- " has a little shameless behaviour in the past " (was awarded to one user a while ago)

1 Kobold Slinger
2 Goblin Sharpshooter
3 Hobgoblin Soldier
4 Orc Berserker
5 Gnoll Huntmaster
6 Bugbear Strangler
7 Snaketongue Initiate

The numbers match the descriptions: All Level 1 users are Kobold Slingers, etc. I started at Level 2 because I had registered before the system was put into place. Newer registrants apparently start at Level 1. HTH.

 

[Kzach]

NPC, Character, DM?

That's a good division that remains D&D (other systems use GM) but system neutral and also has the keen advantage of being far more representative of the actual population.

Casual members are more likely not to be playing very often. Players who play regularly and therefore have an ongoing interest would more likely buy a base subscription, whereas DM's are the most likely to want a 'full' subscription.

In addition, this is something that you really want to keep very simple due to reasons of KISS. Having more than three tiers will get confusing fast, not only to members but to mods who have to answer membership questions. It will also keep it easier on the accounting and maintenance side to have three clear and concise divisions.

 

[Henry]

Hey, I like the NPC / Character / DM thing. Who wouldn't want to donate a piddly 3 bucks a month to NOT be called an NPC any more?

 

[Flatus Maximus]

Not everyone prefers being a DM.

On the other hand, everyone would prefer to have an electrum member.

"Yes, everyone", -- N

[beavis and butthead]
Uh-huhuhuhuhuh, he said "member," uh-huhuhuhuhuh.
[/beavis and butthead]

This next song is a Cliff Richard's song....

 

[Hammerhead]

That's a good division that remains D&D (other systems use GM) but system neutral and also has the keen advantage of being far more representative of the actual population.

Casual members are more likely not to be playing very often. Players who play regularly and therefore have an ongoing interest would more likely buy a base subscription, whereas DM's are the most likely to want a 'full' subscription.

In addition, this is something that you really want to keep very simple due to reasons of KISS. Having more than three tiers will get confusing fast, not only to members but to mods who have to answer membership questions. It will also keep it easier on the accounting and maintenance side to have three clear and concise divisions.

That seems like quite the assumption: correlating a user's willingness and ability to subscribe to EN World with how often they play D&D and what role at the table they prefer.

And about MF somehow excluding 4e fans from his rant: I don't recall any 4e fans deliberating complaining about any proposal for subscription tiers that uses older terminology (except in sarcasm). If they haven't appeared yet, why would you bother to address them? Just in case they show up?

 

[Dire Bare]

I could respond to this, and if I did, I might be reprimanded for the manner in which I respond. So I think I'll just skip right to the point where I don't read this site for a few days so I don't encounter this kind of attitude again until I've come to a better place of acceptance of how other people choose to comport themselves in what has usually been a friendly environment.

And I don't know exactly how to respond to this. The offended attitude kinda blows my mind.

That people don't care for 4e or for WotC's recent business decisions I can understand and respect. I can even understand folks getting a bit emotional, because, let's face it, this is not just a game to many of us . . . it's a lifestyle hobby. But being offended by something so innocuous as naming subscription tiers Heroic and Paragon (and maybe Epic!) . . . and then to be further offended by folks showing exasperation and incredulity . . .

If THIS gets people upset, I'm glad we have a no politics and religion rule!

I imagine that folks who would be truly bothered by this are in a loud minority, but I suppose if I was Morrus I'd roll my eyes and choose a different naming scheme to keep the uproar down. I like the idea above of Basic and Expert!!! Which also allows for Companions, Masters, and Immortal tiers. Unless that offends someone who has flashbacks to TSR's separation of D&D and AD&D in the 80s . . .

 

[Dire Bare]

And about MF somehow excluding 4e fans from his rant: I don't recall any 4e fans deliberating complaining about any proposal for subscription tiers that uses older terminology (except in sarcasm). If they haven't appeared yet, why would you bother to address them? Just in case they show up?

The $6 Tier could be named the Prestige Class to appease the offended. I would be incredibly surprised if 4e fans cared or even noticed.

 

[Jack99]

Why not use something like: Initiate, Wizard and Archmage? or how about: Kobold, Giant and Dragon? Both fairly edition neutral?

 

[Mouseferatu]

I'm not singling you out as someone who would rant. But you are throwing barbs at the "you don't like 4e" crowd. You didn't single out exceptions or clarify and neither did I.

Actually, I did. I very deliberately said, this isn't about people liking or not liking the game. It's about people taking literal offense at the idea of the tiered naming system. I hardly think that's representative of the entirety, or even the majority, of people who dislike 4E.

And if that didn't come across, I honestly apologize. I thought it was clear.