In which book is the yeti in 3e?

[Azzemmell]

Alas, I don't have the ToH yet.

I guess that it might come in handy for some of the conversions that I'm doing ATM, though - e.g., Temple of Elemental Evil, Giant series (which I need the yeti for, BTW), Drow series, and some other 1e and 2e modules...

ToH has lots of old 1e baddies. You might want to check it out.


(no, didn't work on the book; just love it)

 

[BOZ]

see? i don't even need to sell it anymore... it sells itself.

 

[Darkness]

see? i don't even need to sell it anymore... it sells itself.

You know, I didn't buy one so far - but I did convince a friend of mine to get one.

Now, if only I could also convince him to "forget" the book at my place...

 

[Dr_Rictus]

Yet another case where the ToH fails to avoid duplicating already-existing 3e monsters, despite claims to the contrary.

Yes, I'm being curmudgeonly about it. I don't approve of padding.

 

[dcollins]

I guess that it might come in handy for some of the conversions that I'm doing ATM, though - e.g., Temple of Elemental Evil, Giant series (which I need the yeti for, BTW), Drow series, and some other 1e and 2e modules...

You might consider perusing the G1-3 conversions currently in ENWorld's conversion library. When I did G2, I used the Yeti conversion from the online Creature Catalog (i.e., same as Tome of Horrors).

 

[ColonelHardisson]

Yet another case where the ToH fails to avoid duplicating already-existing 3e monsters, despite claims to the contrary.

Yes, I'm being curmudgeonly about it. I don't approve of padding.

How is it padding? Are you saying that the Yeti was put into the book instead of some other critter, that the Yeti was so popular a monster that NG put it in regardless of whether WotC had a version of it?

Y'know, they tried to coordinate between Necromancer and WotC, which is a feat in and of itself. I don't see many other companies trying to do that. Also, I don't know when Scott put the Yeti up on the website, but there's a good chance his conversion of it predates that of WotC.

 

[BOZ]

Also, I don't know when Scott put the Yeti up on the website, but there's a good chance his conversion of it predates that of WotC.

i'm pretty sure it did. was Oriental Adventures out before Feb 2001?

http://www.enworld.org/cc/creature_crypt/index.php

 

[Dr_Rictus]

How is it padding? Are you saying that the Yeti was put into the book instead of some other critter, that the Yeti was so popular a monster that NG put it in regardless of whether WotC had a version of it?

Or that the book could have been less expensive, and a better value for the money, if it didn't include as many monsters that I didn't need because they were already available.

Y'know, they tried to coordinate between Necromancer and WotC, which is a feat in and of itself. I don't see many other companies trying to do that. Also, I don't know when Scott put the Yeti up on the website, but there's a good chance his conversion of it predates that of WotC.

I'm aware they tried to coordinate. But OA has been out for quite a while now, and they can't have been unaware of it if they were really trying. Whether Scott's version of the Yeti on the website existed first is, to me, beside the point. Unless the point is that the author included it because he happened to have the content, not because he saw it as fulfilling any perceived need, and that most definitely is padding. (Note, I'm not saying that's what happened, and please understand I mean no offense to Scott - just that the only way I could consider the issue of precedence relevant would be in a way which did not count in Necromancer's favor).

Plus, if they're going to say that they're not duplicating WotC's published material, then that is what they should do. I don't see what's so puzzling about my expecting that. As a game designer, I'm sympathetic with the difficulty of what they tried to do. But as a consumer I still expect value for my money, and if someone fails to deliver that because they tried something that was too hard, well, they failed. Saying they tried holds them to no particular standard whatsovever, and in fact this is not an isolated exception.

Like I said, though, I admit that I'm being hard about this. I have a very high standard when it comes to these things.

 

[Darkness]

You might consider perusing the G1-3 conversions currently in ENWorld's conversion library. When I did G2, I used the Yeti conversion from the online Creature Catalog (i.e., same as Tome of Horrors).

Thanks much, Dan; these will certainly prove useful!

Heh. You know, in addition to converting them to 3e, I'm making quite a lot of changes to the adventures (esp. to the creatures; I already have most creatures in G 1 and 2 converted and modified to what I want them to be) so they better fit my needs - and everything that addresses any of the things that I'm working on (e.g., how to handle certain locations and things under 3e rules) is a great help indeed.

 

[dcollins]

Glad they can be of some help!