Incorporeality and Blind Fight.

[Kitha]

Ok so what's the deal here?

a) Blind fight helps against concealment, i.e. you get a percentile re-roll when you miss due to concealment.

b) Concealment is defined as all circumstances that don't physically stop an attack but something interferes with your accuracy.

c) Blink grants you etheralness on and off, the blink spell specifically states that Blind fight doesn't work against it. So etherealness != concealment.

d) Incorporeality doesn't really have a definition that I can find. But it seems to me that the body is still physically on the Material Plane (unlike etherealness) but you get a miss chance because they're a bit hazy or whatever.

So putting all these together do you think that incorporeality is classified as "concealment" for the purposes of ruling on Blind Fight versus incorporeals?

Quotes, references or just advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

EDIT: typos galore, god help me!

 

[Merlion]

Um, no. Incorporeality is defined very clearly in the DMG. Incorporeal beings have NO physical body. they are also essentialy considered to exist on the Prime and the Ethereal at once.
Blind Fight wont help with incorporeality because the being has no body to hit, and makes no sounds to detect etc.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Incorporeal beings have NO physical body. they are also essentialy considered to exist on the Prime and the Ethereal at once.

Incorporeality has nothing to do with the Ethereal plane. You may be experiencing some confusion with the Ghost's manifestation ability, where it exists on the Ethereal plane and Material plane simultaneously, though it is incorporeal on the Material plane while manifested.

-Hyp.

 

[Merlion]

Well I know ethereal beings can interact with incorporeal beings normaly...or at least I'm pretty darn sure.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Well I know ethereal beings can interact with incorporeal beings normaly...or at least I'm pretty darn sure.

No. Incorporeal creatures (apart from manifested ghosts) are on the Material plane. Ethereal creatures can't affect the Material plane.

Material creatures can affect Ethereal creatures with Force effects and Gaze attacks, but not vice versa.

-Hyp.

 

[Merlion]

If I remember correctly when your ethereal your essentialy incorporeal...and incorporeal creatures can harm other incoporeal creatures.

 

[Kitha]

Ok so where does that leave the question? You've determined, it seems, that incorporeal are not ethereal, but does that mean that their miss chance is attributable to concealment and therefore Blind Fight does work on them? Or does it just mean they're not ethereal but it's still not concealment for Blind fight purposes?

 

[Merlion]

as I said above...they have no concealment. they also have no body. Its not a miss chance they have...you have a normal chance to hit them, just a 50/50 chance that they ignore the damage from any weapon that isnt ghost touch. So no in short blind fight does nothing against incorporeal beings...which I believe it actualy says in the feat descpretion..

 

[Merlion]

Also they are totaly immune to non magical weapons of all sorts...they pass right through them

 

[Merlion]

Ohh I just looked it up, blind fight doesnt mention incorporeality...but again its not a miss chance. it can be a little confusing thogh as its talked about similirly