Infinite Crisis #2 SPOILERS

[Viking Bastard]

Personally, I think the whole Countdown/IC thing has been done expertly and I've been
enjoying it a bunch. Usually I'm not a crossover fan, but damnit, this is a fun ride.

I may be a crossover, but it's a crossover done right.

 

[Silver Moon]

I for one am glad there will be a "lighter" comic .... I like my escapism *from* reality, thank you very much.

I would like that too, but I don't think it's going to happen. Darker comics are in and this series as as "dark" as anything as of late. The days of innocence of the Silver Age comics has gone by and if they reset the DC Universe to that sales will bottom out. This series is just the catalyst for another reboot.

 

[Particle_Man]

I don't think sales will necessarily bottom out. I for one might buy Superman again, if I could get a "light" version with art I like. I just don't know if they have the guts to say "We are intentionally going unrealistic. The heroes will never kill or mindwipe, but will never be placed in situations where it is arguable that they should. The villains will never find out the heroes' secret identities, will never go around killing/raping the heroes' loved ones, etc."

 

[Klaus]

I don't think they'll revert the DCU to Silver Age happy-happy state. But from what I hear, DC is aiming at making heroes more heroic, even against the darkest backgrounds. Batman as a dark character is great. But Batman, for the past 10 years, has been a two-faced, paranoid, control-freak j**k (and he's just an example). The same character in Batman Begins or in Batman: tAS, JL and JLU is dark, but is still a hero (as epitomized in the JLU episode "Epilogue" from last year).

 

[ShrinkyLink]

I'm a bit disappointed by it. I just pray that Power Girl isn't slated to die, simply because we had Supergirl die back in the first Crisis. I also think my dream--the permanent return of the Multiverse--just ain't gonna happen.

The second issue, though, was miles better than the first. And not just because we had tons of Power Girl.

 

[WayneLigon]

I would like that too, but I don't think it's going to happen. Darker comics are in and this series as as "dark" as anything as of late. The days of innocence of the Silver Age comics has gone by and if they reset the DC Universe to that sales will bottom out. This series is just the catalyst for another reboot.

Dark is pretty much on the way out, though; you can only do 'dark' for so long, and there are series that do it better. Most of what we've been seeing over the past, oh, five years or so is a gradual 'retro' trend beck towards happier times. My hope is that this will be the big boost towards that time but retaining the more modern sense of how and why things happen. I don't want a total return to the Silver Age either, but I want that more heoric mindset.

 

[JoeGKushner]

Just got the JLA Avengers series collected in an Absolute Edition.

One of the funny things about it is how Superman and the JLA are shown to be much more respected, powerful, etc... than the Avengers and now we have this Crisis and the "dark" tones.

Be interesting to see what happened if they did another crossover.

 

[Fiery James]

I'm enjoying IC and DC comics right now. I think it's cool that they're willing to mess with the status quo -- at least for now.

Here's my prediction on Infinite Crisis.

Kal-L goes around, trying to drum up support for his mission -- to go back in time to the universe's creation (or, Kronos' experiment -- he was the Oa guy, right?) -- and manipulate things so that Earth-2 becomes the basis for the current world. So, not a return to the multiverse, but a massive retcon.

At least, that's his plan.

So he goes out and gets help from key figures -- including Power Girl, his cousin. Next issue he goes for the big brains -- Batman (with that, see --- you can be married to Selena and have a kid who grows up to be the Huntress. And Dick is still Robin!!) (Of course, I'm guessing that Kal-L doesn't inform him that Bruce Wayne was murdered in his timeline!!)

Meanwhile, the rest of the world continues falling apart. The Amazons are lost, apart from Diana, who becomes the sole survivor. The Spectre is taking out Atlantis. The Society is stepping up their program.

Eventually, Kal-L will have to meet up with Kal-El and explain his plan -- and that it's his only chance to save Lois. Kal-El will understand his pain and frustration... but dude, he's not going to sacrifice THIS Lois for THAT Lois. They brawl.

And just when it looks like the Supes on Supes fight will cost everyone their greatest champion...


Alexander Luthor steps up, revealing his master plan. He's been controlling Lex Luthor from their pocket dimension. Lex has been fighting him, and occassionally regaining control -- but even when he's himself, he's deluded and a little bit crazy (and wearing that big supersuit and creating the Secret Six). There aren't TWO Luthors -- there's only one, but Alex Luthor has been in control for most of the time, creating the Society.

"HAHA! I've been manipulating you all from beyond the dimensions. And now that I've gathered up heroes drawn from all Earths (or at least their blood -- ie, Pariah), I will use (what my allies thought) was a memory wiping machine to recreate existance as I see fit...." or something like that.

Remember, he is half Anti-Matter.

But beyond that... he was once used as a tool by Darkseid.

That's right -- Darkseid, who was most recently a chump in Batman/Superman. All an act to get Supergirl in the right place at the right time.

Darkseid's been using Alexander Luther, who's been using Kal-L and Lex Luthor to manipulate things.

AT this point, when the chips are down and everything has been revealed and stuff is really about to hit the fan...

Well, that's when Kal-El steps up. More determined than when he fought Doomsday, Superman is prepared to sacrifice it all to save the Universe.

And Kal-L sees that he's been manipulated... and that (with Kal-El's recent example) there still are heroes left in this universe and maybe it is still worth saving.

In the end, Kal-L will end up sacrificing himself, and teach everyone what it means to be a hero. His farewell to Lois will be touching, as will his final speech to Superman and Powergirl.



I don't know how Donna Troy's crew fits in to this... Maybe the universe has already started to be remade... in Darkseid's image.

Still, this is my guess as to the general direction of things. (Now on record to be proven completely incorrect later...)

- James

 

[Truth Seeker]

IC #5 Cover...

This...say...it...all.

 

[JoeGKushner]

Like I noted over at RPG.net, it would be interesting if the modern Superman schooled the old one since he's had a lot more experience fighting comisc level threats as well as individuals that approach his own power level.

The old Superman rarely fought anyone on par with him or had to deal with the things that the modern one did.

Looking forward to it thought!